Other Sports MLB Hall of Fame class 2013. Will no one get in? - Page 2

mcaj22 · 01-09-2013, 01:15 PM

wasn't Biggio good?

in a steroid era nonetheless, while not being linked to steroids? That should be impressive and something to consider

"Im not voting for the Roid boys, but maybe I should consider the guy that put up numbers without roids"

i figured that would be the easy logic here, instead it seems like these voters are just pure elitism at this point

ShowtimeSBMVP · 01-09-2013, 01:15 PM

Biggio (68.2), Morris (67.7), Bagwell (59.6), Piazza (57.8) Raines (52.2)

Jerm · 01-09-2013, 01:17 PM

Biggio not getting in is a joke...complete and utter sham.

Garcia Bronco · 01-09-2013, 01:21 PM

Bonds, McGuire, Clemens and Schilling should all be in....it's a no brain-er.

As far as PED's...baseball has been on PEDs since the 50's so give it a rest.

Chief Roundup · 01-09-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Bonds, McGuire, Clemens and Schilling should all be in....it's a no brain-er.

As far as PED's...baseball has been on PEDs since the 50's so give it a rest.

I agree. I don't want players using PEDs but the writers are punishing the players for MLBs lack of being proactive and having a good policy in place. And yes people don't want to talk about back when the teams were actually giving players "greenies" to play the day night double headers in a row etc. Now they are going to punish anyone that they don't know about because of a "cloud" over the whole era.
To me they should just realize that it always has been part of any competitive sport and always will be. Whether it was greenies, coke, ephdra or HGH. Every person in an organization from the player to the owner is looking for an advantage.
I can also see a difference, once baseball put a legitmate screening program in place, that someone caught after that would be held accountable differently than someone caught or suspected before that time.

whoman69 · 01-09-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I agree. I don't want players using PEDs but the writers are punishing the players for MLBs lack of being proactive and having a good policy in place. And yes people don't want to talk about back when the teams were actually giving players "greenies" to play the day night double headers in a row etc. Now they are going to punish anyone that they don't know about because of a "cloud" over the whole era.
To me they should just realize that it always has been part of any competitive sport and always will be. Whether it was greenies, coke, ephdra or HGH. Every person in an organization from the player to the owner is looking for an advantage.
I can also see a difference, once baseball put a legitmate screening program in place, that someone caught after that would be held accountable differently than someone caught or suspected before that time.

By proactive do you mean the union allowing testing to take place? There were rules against PEDs going back years, but they had no teeth because the union headed by Donald Fehr refused to allow testing until Congress took over.

Chief Roundup · 01-09-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

By proactive do you mean the union allowing testing to take place? There were rules against PEDs going back years, but they had no teeth because the union headed by Donald Fehr refused to allow testing until Congress took over.

Union/League together should of had the test screenings working properly or what is the point in having them? Just to say oh yeah we have something written but we are not going to enforce it or only when we want to. I just don't think the players should be punished when the league or union back then were basicly keeping a non working system in place for what seems like a way the league and or union could just lay it on the players.

Deberg_1990 · 01-09-2013, 01:23 PM

Biggio will get in eventually....just didnt quite cut it as a "first ballot" election

duncan_idaho · 01-09-2013, 02:51 PM

A few thoughts...

I don't mind Biggio not getting in on his first ballot. First-ballot HOF types are unquestioned superstars who are MVP winners, guys who dominated leagues for several years.

Biggio is not that guy.

I don't really care about any of the steroid guys getting in. So what. Those guys made their choices and seem happy with them.

I don't buy Jack Morris as a HOF guy. YEah, he was hard-nosed and tough. Yeah, he pitched for two WS winners. But the guy was just VERY GOOD, not great. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good (and yes, if I had a chance, I would kick out several players who don't deserve to be in the hall, among them Rabbit Maranville, Phil Rizzuto, Pee Wee Reese, etc.).

kcxiv · 01-09-2013, 03:02 PM

lol, i am laughing the players give a shit if they get into the hall of fame or not. Is it a nice prize at tghe end of a career? sure, but the money they make is by far greater to them. they can actually enjoy it.

Do you really think SammY Sosa gives a ****? or Manny Ramirez these guys grew up with no ****ing shows paying baseball in the mud with little or nothing. Now because of some talent and some steriods they are going to live like kings the rest of their life in their poor country. Its well well worth the risk.

Sammy and Manny chillen drinking some drinks on a beach somewhere smiling from ear to ear.

**chefsos** · 01-09-2013, 03:14 PM

...And business owners all over Cooperstown look for a tall building with windows that open outward, or maybe a bridge.

scho63 · 01-09-2013, 03:29 PM

If Pete Rose isn't getting in, neither should Bonds, McGuire, or Clemens or any other steroid junkie.

Glad they got so little votes

blaise · 01-09-2013, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

If Pete Rose isn't getting in, neither should Bonds, McGuire, or Clemens or any other steroid junkie.

Glad they got so little votes

Pete's not even eligible because he broke a rule that every ball player knows you can't break.

TEX · 01-09-2013, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

If Pete Rose isn't getting in, neither should Bonds, McGuire, or Clemens or any other steroid junkie.

Glad they got so little votes

But Craig Biggio should have. Dude came up as a Catcher, made the All Star team, tjan became an All Star 2nd Baseman and finished his career in the outfield. Along the way he got more than 3,000 hits snd 400+ steals 660+ doubles. He has HOF numbers. Easily.

Mama Hip Rockets · 01-09-2013, 06:32 PM

My top 10, in order of awesomeness, and separated by HOFers and non-HOFers.

DEFINITELY SHOULD BE IN THE HALL:
1. Barry Bonds - It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Good Guys. He was far and away the best player of his era, steroids or not. Plus, he's famous.
2. Mark McGwire - See above, except for the part about the best player.
3. Tim Raines - This one is just mind-boggling. Sixth year on ballot and he's not in? 808 stolen bases and a career .385 OBP. Amazing player.
4. Mike Piazza - Record-setting numbers for a catcher, and Hall of Fame numbers regardless of position.
5. Roger Clemens - 7 Cy Young Awards.
6. Jeff Bagwell - 162-game average: .297 AVG, .408 OBP, 34 HR, 115 RBI. Those look like Hall of Fame numbers to me.
7. Sammy Sosa - 609 homers. Enough said.

NOT QUITE:
8. Larry Walker - Great player, but probably not quite Hall of Fame-worthy.
9. Fred McGriff - The nickname Crime Dog alone should get him in the Hall, but I don't think it will.
10. Edgar Martinez - An excellent hitter but loses some credibility for being a DH and not having overwhelming power numbers.

01-09-2013, 01:15 PM	#1
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	wasn't Biggio good? in a steroid era nonetheless, while not being linked to steroids? That should be impressive and something to consider "Im not voting for the Roid boys, but maybe I should consider the guy that put up numbers without roids" i figured that would be the easy logic here, instead it seems like these voters are just pure elitism at this point
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Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $5748996	Biggio not getting in is a joke...complete and utter sham.
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Garcia Bronco No Keys, No Problem Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver Casino cash: $5163136	Bonds, McGuire, Clemens and Schilling should all be in....it's a no brain-er. As far as PED's...baseball has been on PEDs since the 50's so give it a rest.
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3874454	Biggio will get in eventually....just didnt quite cut it as a "first ballot" election __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1610308	A few thoughts... I don't mind Biggio not getting in on his first ballot. First-ballot HOF types are unquestioned superstars who are MVP winners, guys who dominated leagues for several years. Biggio is not that guy. I don't really care about any of the steroid guys getting in. So what. Those guys made their choices and seem happy with them. I don't buy Jack Morris as a HOF guy. YEah, he was hard-nosed and tough. Yeah, he pitched for two WS winners. But the guy was just VERY GOOD, not great. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good (and yes, if I had a chance, I would kick out several players who don't deserve to be in the hall, among them Rabbit Maranville, Phil Rizzuto, Pee Wee Reese, etc.). __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8807996	lol, i am laughing the players give a shit if they get into the hall of fame or not. Is it a nice prize at tghe end of a career? sure, but the money they make is by far greater to them. they can actually enjoy it. Do you really think SammY Sosa gives a **? or Manny Ramirez these guys grew up with no **ing shows paying baseball in the mud with little or nothing. Now because of some talent and some steriods they are going to live like kings the rest of their life in their poor country. Its well well worth the risk. Sammy and Manny chillen drinking some drinks on a beach somewhere smiling from ear to ear.
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Mama Hip Rockets You don't faze me, Gobble. Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $10005644	My top 10, in order of awesomeness, and separated by HOFers and non-HOFers. DEFINITELY SHOULD BE IN THE HALL: 1. Barry Bonds - It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Good Guys. He was far and away the best player of his era, steroids or not. Plus, he's famous. 2. Mark McGwire - See above, except for the part about the best player. 3. Tim Raines - This one is just mind-boggling. Sixth year on ballot and he's not in? 808 stolen bases and a career .385 OBP. Amazing player. 4. Mike Piazza - Record-setting numbers for a catcher, and Hall of Fame numbers regardless of position. 5. Roger Clemens - 7 Cy Young Awards. 6. Jeff Bagwell - 162-game average: .297 AVG, .408 OBP, 34 HR, 115 RBI. Those look like Hall of Fame numbers to me. 7. Sammy Sosa - 609 homers. Enough said. NOT QUITE: 8. Larry Walker - Great player, but probably not quite Hall of Fame-worthy. 9. Fred McGriff - The nickname Crime Dog alone should get him in the Hall, but I don't think it will. 10. Edgar Martinez - An excellent hitter but loses some credibility for being a DH and not having overwhelming power numbers.
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