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Old 07-13-2016, 03:06 PM  
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PFF: Ranking of Secondaries & OLs
Finally, a bit of pre-pre-season football analysis! PFF came out with their ranking of NFL Secondaries and Offensive Lines. Chiefs were in at #13 for secondaries and #17 for OLs. Methinks that at this point in time, that's probably reasonable.

Anyway, here are the links for your reading pleasure:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...e-2016-season/

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...e-2016-season/
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Old 07-14-2016, 09:43 AM   #31
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I think you guys are also (and understandably) only grading these guys on their highlight reel catching/running ability.

Gronk is also an elite blocker. Unlike some of these other guys, he's no liability on running plays, and he can also blow a guy up before he goes out into his pattern.

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He's a great blocker (anyone should be at that size) but that's a horrible play to showcase it. Suggs didn't even see him.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:08 AM   #32
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You can think of 5-10 receivers who are better than Gronk? Really?

Even though a poll of NFL players themselves ranked him the 9th best player OVERALL (all positions) in the entire NFL in 2016, and 10th in 2015?
It is based on groups........ Of which NE belongs no were near the top considering these teams....

Washington Redskins
Projected starters: WR Pierre Garçon, WR DeSean Jackson, WR Jamison Crowder, TE Jordan Reed

Key depth: WR Josh Doctson, WR Ryan Grant, WR Reshad Ross, TE Vernon Davis, TE Paul Niles

Jacksonville Jaguars
Projected starters: WR Allen Robinson, WR Allen Hurns, WR Marqise Lee, TE Julius Thomas

Key depth: WR Rashad Greene, WR Bryan Walters, TE Marcedes Lewis

Pittsburgh Steelers
Projected starters: WR Antonio Brown, WR Markus Wheaton, WR Sammie Coates, TE Ladarius Green

Key depth: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR Demarcus Ayers, TE Matt Spaeth, TE Jesse James

Cincinnati Bengals
Projected starters: WR A.J. Green, WR Brandon LaFell, WR Tyler Boyd, TE Tyler Eifert

Key depth: WR Brandon Tate, WR Cody Core, WR James Wright, TE Tyler Kroft

New York Giants
Projected starters: WR Odell Beckham Jr., WR Sterling Shepard, WR Victor Cruz, TE Larry Donnell

Miami Dolphins
Projected starters: WR DeVante Parker, WR Jarvis Landry, WR Kenny Stills, TE Jordan Cameron
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:32 AM   #33
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I think you guys are also (and understandably) only grading these guys on their highlight reel catching/running ability.

Gronk is also an elite blocker. Unlike some of these other guys, he's no liability on running plays, and he can also blow a guy up before he goes out into his pattern.

(right side of screen)
Well, yeah.

I'm not gonna compare the blocking ability of a TE to that of a wr.
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He's a great blocker (anyone should be at that size) but that's a horrible play to showcase it. Suggs didn't even see him.

First one I found on Youtube.

And Jimmy Graham probably would've failed at it, somehow.
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It is based on groups........ Of which NE belongs no were near the top considering these teams....

Washington Redskins
Projected starters: WR Pierre Garçon, WR DeSean Jackson, WR Jamison Crowder, TE Jordan Reed

Key depth: WR Josh Doctson, WR Ryan Grant, WR Reshad Ross, TE Vernon Davis, TE Paul Niles

Jacksonville Jaguars
Projected starters: WR Allen Robinson, WR Allen Hurns, WR Marqise Lee, TE Julius Thomas

Key depth: WR Rashad Greene, WR Bryan Walters, TE Marcedes Lewis

Pittsburgh Steelers
Projected starters: WR Antonio Brown, WR Markus Wheaton, WR Sammie Coates, TE Ladarius Green

Key depth: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR Demarcus Ayers, TE Matt Spaeth, TE Jesse James

Cincinnati Bengals
Projected starters: WR A.J. Green, WR Brandon LaFell, WR Tyler Boyd, TE Tyler Eifert

Key depth: WR Brandon Tate, WR Cody Core, WR James Wright, TE Tyler Kroft

New York Giants
Projected starters: WR Odell Beckham Jr., WR Sterling Shepard, WR Victor Cruz, TE Larry Donnell

Miami Dolphins
Projected starters: WR DeVante Parker, WR Jarvis Landry, WR Kenny Stills, TE Jordan Cameron

You're kidding? You'd take the Dolphins group over Gronk/Bennett/Edelman/Amendola? The Redskins are one stud and a bunch of warm bodies for the most part.

I could go on, but hey, whatever. Go with it.
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Nah, Skins have D Jax and Reed. They're both ballers.

Garçon is still serviceable.
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Nah, Skins have D Jax and Reed. They're both ballers.

Garçon is still serviceable.
They also just drafted Doctson in the 1st, who could step in and be a great #2 off the bat.
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Nah, Skins have D Jax and Reed. They're both ballers.

Garçon is still serviceable.

So D Jax / Reed / Garcon >> Gronk / Bennett / Edelman / Amendola?

Yeah, no.

IMHO anyway.
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They also just drafted Doctson in the 1st, who could step in and be a great #2 off the bat.

Potential is great, but it's just potential.

And almost no WR anywhere in the league steps in and is a great starter "off the bat". It's very rare, as it usually takes a year or two to adjust to the pro game. Not always, but almost always.
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Potential is great, but it's just potential.

And almost no WR anywhere in the league steps in and is a great starter "off the bat". It's very rare, as it usually takes a year or two to adjust to the pro game. Not always, but almost always.
Lol it's literally happened every year for the past few.

Besides, I just thought it was worth mentioning.
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So D Jax / Reed / Garcon >> Gronk / Bennett / Edelman / Amendola?



Yeah, no.



IMHO anyway.

I think it's debatable. I was more speaking to your statement that the Skins are one good guy and a bunch of warm bodies.
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Lol it's literally happened every year for the past few.

Besides, I just thought it was worth mentioning.

Sure, for like one guy out of the dozen drafted.

There are also busts every year.
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I think it's debatable. I was more speaking to your statement that the Skins are one good guy and a bunch of warm bodies.

It's a fair point. Reed is better than a warm body. Garcon is better than average, I guess, but not great. One great year, but otherwise nothing terribly exciting.
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Sure, for like one guy out of the dozen drafted.

There are also busts every year.
Are you aware of how many really good to great young WR's there are from the past couple of drafts?

It's more common than you think.
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