The Clarks More Apt To Sell or Relocate?

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

After the banners have flown. After the stadium has gone from red to black to empty. After Clark has logged into the Planet, realized his problem, admitted he actually DOESN'T want to win a Superbowl. (it's just some stupid shit his dad made up) Finally has the epiphany that the draftabulators actually ARE the smartest ****ing people on the planet.

Will he realize that Kansas City is owed an NFL franchise with a first round QB whose penis tastes like the finest chocolate that wins the Superbowl every year on paper before the season even starts and sell the Chiefs to Mark Cuban because he wants to win and it's the right thing to do?

Or will he move the team to San Antonio? Los Angeles? London?

Shirley he wouldn't move the team out of KC!!! Would he?

Dinny

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

sorry to split hairs, but dorsey wasn't an 'established' GM. he was an established assistant. someone who may be great at what he does, aka, saying yes to ted thompson. just like scott pioli was great at what he did, aka, getting bill belichick, errr, thomas demitrof his coffee.

I'm not a details man on that stuff. I just remember people really liking the Dorsey hire for the most part and calling him stuff like "brainiac" and "the god of football".

It may not have been exactly those names. But it seemed like a strong consensus on this board was that he was a good hire.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

No owner would ever move out of KC. There's too many sheep here that will follow them no matter what.

not true, i doubt the NFL would let it happen but a new owner could make a buttload more money in a larger media market.

[2bikemike]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm not a details man on that stuff. I just remember people really liking the Dorsey hire for the most part and calling him stuff like "brainiac" and "the god of football".

It may not have been exactly those names. But it seemed like a strong consensus on this board was that he was a good hire.

Yep, but this spastic fan base has no room for error. Immediate results or off with your head!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by 2bikemike

Yep, but this spastic fan base has no room for error. Immediate results or off with your head!

Yeah...

When Cleveland has become more relevant than KC, it might be time to yank the plug on Miss Schaivo.

[MTG#10]

Originally Posted by 2bikemike

Yep, but this spastic fan base has no room for error. Immediate results or off with your head!

No playoff wins in 20+ years will do that

[BWillie]

Eh, alright guys. I guess I'll buy the Chiefs for you guys. But, when I draft a QBOTF and he sucks, please don't fly a banner over my stadium. I'll put the bid in now.

Will 1.2 billion do it?

I'm still kind of pissed I was the second bidder for the Clippers. Should have thrown in the extra billion to my original offer. Live and learn.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by 2bikemike

Yep, but this spastic fan base has no room for error. Immediate results or off with your head!

Again, I don't expect immediate results.

I just expect to see a logical plan for personnel development evident in the kinds of moves that the new GM makes.

If Dorsey's goal, as he says, is to "build through the draft", then ****ING DO IT. That's a logical plan to have. He and many other fans could sense an oncoming problem with the salary cap as a crap ton of KC's good players were owed lucrative salaries in the oncoming years, and many of them needed new contracts.

So how did he "build through the draft" to fix this salary cap problem? He aggravated it. He spent tons of money on veterans who aren't even that good. He took away a large part of our personnel development by using TWO 2nd round picks on the QB. He used both of his first rounders on players to plug the future holes in the roster that will be formed due to HIS salary cap managing decisions.

He's NOT building through the draft. He's stagnating through the draft. In his mind, Eric Fisher and Dee Ford were both drafted to maintain the same level of play that we had with Albert and Hali. And I'm not even bringing up the fact that both of them are DOWNGRADES to the previous players on the roster. Again, Dorsey isn't building a team, he's using his draft stock to SAVE MONEY ON THE SALARY CAP.

If he wanted to take a different approach, I'd also be fine with that. He could get busy renegotiating this player, paying this guy now, cutting this guy, and doing all kinds of book cooking to legitimately add free agent talent to this roster while hoping to hit on a fair portion of draft picks. It's risky as hell, and it's often a bad strategy, but at least it's a ****ing PLAN.

He doesn't have a plan right now. He appears to have a clear idea of the pitfalls this team will encounter in future offseasons, and then determines a player's fate in advance without new data or context to the rest of the team. Branden Albert's fate was pre-determined. Then he had to decide what to do with Hali, so he drafted Dee Ford and consigned Hali to getting cut next year. That's not a plan. That's just making shit up as you go along. A real "build through the draft" plan would be to take the best players in the draft that best line up team need with talent and potential. It would seek to use draft picks to make the team BETTER.

And it would seek to conserve and acquire as much draft stock as possible each year. But that's not what he's done in two drafts. Not even close. Thus far Dorsey has never traded down at ANY spot in the draft. He has yet to make deals to acquire more picks, either because he ****ing sucks at it or because he's clueless. He has traded up ONCE, and that was the Edgar Jones + 7th for the Cowboys 6th deal he did last offseason. Not exactly ****ing spectacular.

As I said before, he claims his plan is to "build through the draft" but that's just more hot air garbage that he picked up from the Packers and is now passing on in his current GM job. What his REAL personnel development strategy has been in "make shit up as you go along, and combine the worst elements of different strategies into one giant Frankenstein's monster of awful football decisions."

I don't care if his talent evaluation is something we're overlooking or not giving him enough time to prove himself by. It doesn't matter if Eric Fisher and Dee Ford end up being good players. By using such ridiculously high draft stock in selecting them, he's not making the team better... he's only trying to prolong the success that they have. And the success that they currently have isn't good enough to win a playoff game.

That's why it doesn't matter that he's only been given 1.5 NFL cycles before being pronounced a failure.

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by SNR

Again, I don't expect immediate results.

I just expect to see a logical plan for personnel development evident in the kinds of moves that the new GM makes.

If Dorsey's goal, as he says, is to "build through the draft", then ****ING DO IT. That's a logical plan to have. He and many other fans could sense an oncoming problem with the salary cap as a crap ton of KC's good players were owed lucrative salaries in the oncoming years, and many of them needed new contracts.

So how did he "build through the draft" to fix this salary cap problem? He aggravated it. He spent tons of money on veterans who aren't even that good. He took away a large part of our personnel development by using TWO 2nd round picks on the QB. He used both of his first rounders on players to plug the future holes in the roster that will be formed due to HIS salary cap managing decisions.

He's NOT building through the draft. He's stagnating through the draft. In his mind, Eric Fisher and Dee Ford were both drafted to maintain the same level of play that we had with Albert and Hali. And I'm not even bringing up the fact that both of them are DOWNGRADES to the previous players on the roster. Again, Dorsey isn't building a team, he's using his draft stock to SAVE MONEY ON THE SALARY CAP.

If he wanted to take a different approach, I'd also be fine with that. He could get busy renegotiating this player, paying this guy now, cutting this guy, and doing all kinds of book cooking to legitimately add free agent talent to this roster while hoping to hit on a fair portion of draft picks. It's risky as hell, and it's often a bad strategy, but at least it's a ****ing PLAN.

He doesn't have a plan right now. He appears to have a clear idea of the pitfalls this team will encounter in future offseasons, and then determines a player's fate in advance without new data or context to the rest of the team. Branden Albert's fate was pre-determined. Then he had to decide what to do with Hali, so he drafted Dee Ford and consigned Hali to getting cut next year. That's not a plan. That's just making shit up as you go along. A real "build through the draft" plan would be to take the best players in the draft that best line up team need with talent and potential. It would seek to use draft picks to make the team BETTER.

And it would seek to conserve and acquire as much draft stock as possible each year. But that's not what he's done in two drafts. Not even close. Thus far Dorsey has never traded down at ANY spot in the draft. He has yet to make deals to acquire more picks, either because he ****ing sucks at it or because he's clueless. He has traded up ONCE, and that was the Edgar Jones + 7th for the Cowboys 6th deal he did last offseason. Not exactly ****ing spectacular.

As I said before, he claims his plan is to "build through the draft" but that's just more hot air garbage that he picked up from the Packers and is now passing on in his current GM job. What his REAL personnel development strategy has been in "make shit up as you go along, and combine the worst elements of different strategies into one giant Frankenstein's monster of awful football decisions."

I don't care if his talent evaluation is something we're overlooking or not giving him enough time to prove himself by. It doesn't matter if Eric Fisher and Dee Ford end up being good players. By using such ridiculously high draft stock in selecting them, he's not making the team better... he's only trying to prolong the success that they have. And the success that they currently have isn't good enough to win a playoff game.

That's why it doesn't matter that he's only been given 1.5 NFL cycles before being pronounced a failure.

Shall I mark you down for relocate, then?

Dinny

[Big Poppa Payne]

Clark doesn't care about winning or losing.. He cares about making a profit, the Chiefs are an investment to him. Sure, he probably wouldn't complain if they were winning while he made his money but he most likely doesn't care about winning or losing. At least not nearly as much as we do.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Big Poppa Payne

Clark doesn't care about winning or losing.. He cares about making a profit, the Chiefs are an investment to him. Sure, he probably wouldn't complain if they were winning while he made his money but he most likely doesn't care about winning or losing. At least not nearly as much as we do.

This.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

not true, i doubt the NFL would let it happen but a new owner could make a buttload more money in a larger media market.

Yeah, but that's the change this franchise needs to make them a winner here too. So they might make more "there" (where ever that would be), but they could make even more here if they'd just start winning. And let's not forget, even if Clark could find a way to move this team to a large market, and I'm sure he could, I think he knows he'd have to win too. Look at L.A., win or nobody will show up.

So Clark just needs to nut-up and commit to doing whatever it takes on his part to get the team to win. I have my thoughts on what that would be, for a man in his position, but I don't think he's willing to do it (no Hunt is)...

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

ambient? Like the down-tempo techno genre?

I wish I didn't have to quote your posts to be able to read them.

[nychief]

wow... this is the stupidest thread on CP, and that is saying something.