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Old 11-03-2016, 09:11 PM  
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*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository ***

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

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Old 01-16-2017, 01:26 PM   #1366
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:29 PM   #1367
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:32 PM   #1368
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:33 PM   #1369
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:48 PM   #1370
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Hell yeah! Great news. Love Duffy and he clearly loves KC.
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:48 PM   #1371
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Great news and glad they got it done. Money is a little higher than I thought it might be, but those yearly averages are really quite affordable considering this market...

If he continues to display the success as a starter he had last year, Duffy is going to provide surplus value at that figure.

Also gives the team the opportunity to extend the window. Saving $3-3.5 million from this year's salary clears up some additional salary.

KC Baseball Prospectus dug through the salary figures this morning and concluded the Royals were likely right at last year's Opening Day payroll. This will give them a little more flex. Should put total payroll around $128 million when all is said and done, with no other changes.

I'd love to see them push it to $140 million total, and spend that remaining 12 million on a bat and a reliever.

Also sets up the rotation nicely for a few more years... KC has control of Duffy, Ventura and Karns through 2021, and Kennedy through 2020 if he doesn't opt out after this season. That's a nice chunk of stability for the rotation.

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Old 01-16-2017, 02:12 PM   #1372
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I know you're concerned about that, still not sure why it is such a concern for you. Is it possible? It's always possible.

I think it's a low-end risk, and certainly worth the reward you gain compared to extending Duffy or signing a FA.

But here's some language that should appeal to you:




If you don't adjust for TJ risk, he's projected to be worth 140 million over the life of that deal.
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Old 01-16-2017, 02:20 PM   #1373
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It's a risk the Royals have to take, no doubt.


Petro kept saying last winter to extend him and make him a starter. Had we done that we'd have gotten him half off.


Ventura is the real concern anyway, he can't pitch like this again next year. He was hot garbage and his arm is way too good for that
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Old 01-16-2017, 02:20 PM   #1374
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Meh, there’s injury risk with every starting pitcher in today’s game. Knowing the frugality of the Royals I wouldn’t be surprised if they have an insurance policy for him like they did with Vargas. With Duffy’s upside and the Royals inability to buy or develop reliable starting pitching, this is a move that a small market team like the Royals has to make.
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Old 01-16-2017, 02:25 PM   #1375
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Meh, there’s injury risk with every starting pitcher in today’s game. Knowing the frugality of the Royals I wouldn’t be surprised if they have an insurance policy for him like they did with Vargas. With Duffy’s upside and the Royals inability to buy or develop reliable starting pitching, this is a move that a small market team like the Royals has to make.
Oh, there's no doubt the Royals have insurance on that deal.

That's a very affordable extension for a guy who can front your rotation.

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Ventura is the real concern anyway, he can't pitch like this again next year. He was hot garbage and his arm is way too good for that
Ventura is a major, major key for KC. His key is going to be improving his pitch mix and showing better command of the heater. It was too hittable last year.

Curve and change both graded out nicely, just needs to show consistency with them. I also think adding a slider or cutter would be a big benefit for Ventura... something else that looks like his FB coming out of the hand would help the fastball a bit.
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Old 01-16-2017, 02:29 PM   #1376
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You're asking guys to unnaturally throw a ball 90 mph. There's always going to be a risk of arm injury when you sign a pitcher to a big contract, unless you go after a bulldog like James Shields.
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Old 01-16-2017, 02:29 PM   #1377
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Fun fact--There are only 4 pitchers left on the team that were on the 2015 WS roster. 14 total players.


Duffy, Ventura, CY, Herrera

Salvy, Butera

Hosmer, Esky, Moose, Colon, Mondesi

Gordon, Cain, Paulo

Not on WS roster, but played sometime during 2015, still in organization:
Vargas, Gore, Cuthbert, Scott Alexander, Miguel Almonte

No, Dusty Coleman is no longer in the organization. He's now in the Padres system.
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Old 01-16-2017, 03:42 PM   #1378
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Old 01-16-2017, 03:45 PM   #1379
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