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Old 07-20-2012, 02:42 AM  
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The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread
For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:37 AM   #496
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I do have to say I am amazed at how much people are dissecting this movie. I think some people are trying too hard to be smart here.
I'm not overanalyzing. I'm in the camp that it was super entertaining and all these criticisms are off base IMO.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:38 AM   #497
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So Batman was too dumb to figure that out the first time?

No one ever tried to attack Bane's weak spot before?

Come on.
Apparently. He didn't go after it. He tried to just beat him like he beat everyone else.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:39 AM   #498
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Apparently. He didn't go after it.


Batman's pretty dumb for a guy who's supposed to be a genius level IQ.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:39 AM   #499
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He physically beat Bane with brute strength.

A few months after he couldn't even touch him.

Did they have Super P90X in that prison?
I'm pretty sure he was pisspounding Batman the second time as well until Batman landed a shot to the Goatse mask.
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Batman's pretty dumb for a guy who's supposed to be a genius level IQ.
Meh. I'm not worried about it. Like I said, he locked himself in his house for 8 years. Then he trained for 6 months specifically to fight Bane. Not all that unreasonable.
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After Batman beat Bane he yelled "YO ADRIAN"
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:55 AM   #502
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I liked the movie, but reading criticisms punches a few holes in it.

I don't buy the way Batman beat Bane after reflecting on it at.

It's lazy, sloppy screenwriting.
You're still trying too hard. I agree it was a bit Rocky, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was lazy screenwriting. You're trying too hard to be pretentious. There are literally thousands of movies that are told as redemption stories.

Although I think there's a bit more to it than that. Bruce went into that first fight almost expecting to die. He even asked Bane that after he beat him down. Bruce had become a recluse and had become a selfish, distrusting person.
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I didn't even come up with that, I'm hardly trying to be critical. But it hits home pretty hard.

What Batman did didn't feel like a Batman solution. It felt like generic action hero bullshit.

Lazy, sloppy, unsatisfying.
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So, indeed, the child is mentioned first, the implication/assumption is put forth that it's Bane, and then they mention the plague/mask, and then go right back to the child story. So, clearly, unless Bane somehow grew up outside the hole, then accidentally tripped and fell back in, it's impossible for him to get beaten up and need the mask.

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First scene of Batman in the prison (after the one where Bane tells him his plan and says, "When Gotham is in ashes, then you have my permission to die."

Warden: "They pay me more than that to keep you alive."

(prisoners tying rope around one man)

W: "He will try to climb."

Batman: "Has anyone ever made it?"

W: "Of course not."

(man fails)

(blind old man in other cell mumbles in foreign language)

W: "He says there is one who did. A child. A child born in this hell."

B: "Bane?"

W: "An old legend. Nothing more."

Next scene in the prison, after Bane sets off all the bombs and gives his speech in the football stadium and then frees everyone in the prison.

(Batman falls out of bed onto floor, tries to get up.)

(Old blind man muttering.)

W: "He says you must first fix your back."

B: "How does he know?"

W: "He was the prison doctor, (and) a morphine addict... (inaudible dialogue, something about "he took care of the prisoners here" I think)... including your master, Bane. Many years ago, it was a time of plague. Some of the other prsoners attacked Bane. In the doctor's fumbling attempts to repair the damage, it left him in perpetual agony. The mask holds the pain at bay."

B: "Bane, is the child you spoke of, he was born here?"

(story of the warlord's daughter)

W: "This is Bane's prison now, he wouldn't want this story told."

Ok, that's how I remember it. It's never said that the child is Bane, but it's never said that it isn't. Just that the prison is his. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the story of Bane protecting the child doesn't come up until the end of the move with Talia....is that right?
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He got his ass kicked by Bane earlier.

Now he gets his back broken, does a few pushups and pullups in a hole, and he can come back and beat Bane?

It's sloppy as shit and not very satisfying, RAR BATROCKY BEAT HIM moment or not.

Did you expect them to spend an hour showing his full recovery? No, you didn't. They do that in movies all the time. Show a person weak....then show them "working through it"....then show them back to full strength. Why?....because nobody wants to see an hour of them doing exercises.
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It should be mentioned that the greater physical feat here was not having his disk bulged by Bane and then recovering from it, but not dying from getting stabbed in the ribs.
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Bane implys that Batman is weak from not training for 8 years during the first fight. Saying something like peace has made you weak, victory has defeated you.
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Did you expect them to spend an hour showing his full recovery? No, you didn't. They do that in movies all the time. Show a person weak....then show them "working through it"....then show them back to full strength. Why?....because nobody wants to see an hour of them doing exercises.
I don't need to see that.

I need to see a more believable scenario than "Batman beats on Bane's mask, a weakness Bane had no idea could render him helpless."
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I don't need to see that.

I need to see a more believable scenario than "Batman beats on Bane's mask, a weakness Bane had no idea could render him helpless."
It plays into the whole "fear of death" deal. He lost he first time because he didn't fear death. The second fight he was afraid of death, therefore making him fight harder because he didn't want to die.

At least that's my take on it.
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He fought harder! Batman is Rocky!

Weak.

Bruce Wayne is a ****ing genius. He should have done something clever instead of RARGH IT'S BAT POWER TIME. It cheapens the character.
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