Brady v. NFL: No Settlement; Judge Berman to Decide

[Amnorix]

Can't find the old thread. Brady and Goodell were back in NYC today for settlement talks. No progress.

Judge Berman said he would likely decide "in the next day or two" and definitely before September 4th.

Interesting how the narrative among the national writers has evolved.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roger-g...180816187.html


NEW YORK – They arrived surrounded by lawyers, each wearing a blue suit and displeased expression. Here was Roger Goodell and here was Tom Brady back in federal court in a fight over power, ego and legacy, as much as whether the footballs were deflated in January's AFC championship game.

New York Giants owner John Mara came in an attempt to soften the face of the league's side a bit. Jay Feely, a long-time NFL kicker and friend of Brady's from back at the University of Michigan, arrived to stand by his side.

Once again, nothing worked. A private meeting in front of Judge Richard M. Berman yielded nothing. No one budged. No one backed down. No settlement was reached.
And now both sides roll the dice and sit and wait for a ruling.

"Tomorrow or the day after," Berman said of when he would likely announce whether to vacate Brady's four-game suspension. He assured it would come before Sept. 4, when both sides requested an answer so the New England Patriots can begin preparing for the season opener with or without their star quarterback.

So that's that, all or nothing, all or everything, all eyes on the court docket here.

For Brady it's either a quarter of the season lost or a measure of redemption gained. For Goodell it's either a reaffirmation of the totality of his authority or another humiliating public defeat.

There may be appeals and requests for stays and thus months still to go, what will be won, what may not be done. None of that minimized the tension and drama inside Berman's 17th-floor courtroom here on Monday, when a case that started as a curiosity on that playoff night boiled toward a milestone, if not a conclusion.

Berman clearly knows how he is going to rule and likely has much of the decision already written. He's read and heard it all over the past month. There were no new arguments on Monday. The chief attorneys, Daniel Nash of the NFL and Jeffrey Kessler of the NFL Players Association, both merely stood and praised the efforts of all sides even though, as sometimes happens, they just couldn't reach a settlement.

"This is a time Mr. Nash and I are going to agree," Kessler joked.

The inability to find common ground is not a surprise. Tom Brady was simply never going to admit he had any role in the tampering of those footballs, or even that the footballs were ever tampered with in the first place.

First off, after he said as much under oath and then introduced the transcript into federal court, doing so would risk a perjury charge. More importantly though, it would be a complete reversal, making him a liar and a cheat, crushing his image among not just fans but, most importantly according to those that know him best, his own children.

He also very well may be innocent. The NFL never produced much of a case against him, let alone that the footballs were even unnaturally deflated.

So the only way a settlement could go down was for Goodell to drop any demands for an admission of guilt. He'd have to settle for Brady merely acknowledging a failure to fully cooperate with the investigation. That, however, would be a serious concession from a commissioner who's built his career on cracking heads among misbehaving players.

So there was the irresistible force clashing with the unmovable object, each willing to lose in court as long as he could still save face.
It has been, if nothing else, a remarkable showdown of oversized personalities.

In court Monday, the two men, rich and famous and atop their chosen professions, refused to even look at each other.

When the session was adjourned, both were forced to awkwardly wait for the galley to clear out of media and observers, leaving them within a few feet of each other a couple table rows apart.

Brady stood first and wandered over to one wood-paneled wall of the ornate courtroom. He stuffed his hands in his pocket, looking as intense as any tight fourth-quarter drive. Feely stood by his side and the two eventually hugged.

Goodell, seated in front, stood slowly and also put his hands in his pocket, looking down and then turning in the opposite direction of Brady, trying to wear a face of nonchalance.

Eight months into this scandal, after swings of allegations and misrepresentations, of false media leaks and broadside-legal attacks, the distrust and disgust were clear: Two men known for their ability to smoothly glide through life, with fashion and fabulous hair, looked strangely uncomfortable.

No one ever wants to sit in this position, leaving it to another man, federal judge or not, to declare whether he or she is a cheat or a fraud or a bully or a bum.

Here these two are though, going down that awkward path together. Their lives are seemingly too charmed for this, yet they were like a couple of rivals on opposite sides of the schoolyard, unwilling to even acknowledge the other's presence in front of onlookers.

The stakes seem higher for Goodell, if only because his legal argument here is based on the 1981 Supreme Court decision MLBPA v. Garvey, which essentially prohibits judges from interfering with the decision of arbitrators even if they are horrendously flawed or based on inaccurate facts. Arguing you have the right to be a dictator isn't ideal in public relations terms.

As such, Goodell and the NFL could certainly prevail in front of Berman but do so via a ruling full of the same kind of harsh verbiage that the judge used during two prior public sessions.

It's clear that no matter which way Berman goes, he looked upon the NFL's judicial system in general, and the league's conduct in this case specifically, as lacking any semblance of fairness or competency. He could unload in the ruling and leave Goodell laid out, even if he's technically victorious.

That's the risk Goodell was willing to take. And one Brady is willing to go with, essentially entering the verdict stage with a two-pronged chance at redemption – either total or at least in the court of public opinion. A loss and a four-game suspension would hurt, but he could at least point to an impartial federal judge down in New York agreeing that Goodell is out of line.

It's certainly reasonable that the NFL initially erred when it failed to comprehend Ideal Gas Law and thus initially thought any Patriots football that measured below 12.5 pounds per square inch of inflation was a sign of nefarious conduct. It immediately went after a speeding ticket like a homicide case.

But by the time the league should've have dialed it back, it had already leaked prejudicial stories and begun building a case against Brady and two Patriots locker room attendants. The NFL never was able to find a smoking gun or much more than suspicions, but that didn't matter.

The NFL not only never backed down, it just kept doubling down, believing the full force of the league's power – both in the CBA and in its ability to manipulate national reporters – would overwhelm Brady.

The league may be correct and on the verge of a show-of-force victory. It may be wrong and headed for a comeuppance.

It's all up to Judge Berman now. Who knows what he thinks and who knows what he'll rule. On Monday he seemed eager to make it known though as he sent the two men in fancy blue suits off into the Manhattan morning, Goodell via a black Escalade, Brady in a Chevy Suburban. Each is left awaiting his word.

The QB v. the Commissioner, it's all or everything now.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

Nothing better than patriot haters that whine lol

I am not a Patriot hater, I just think with all the money on the line in games for players that their should be a level playing field. To many years have gone bye where the Pats are constantly in the news for not being on the level. Coaches, players and clearly owners all feel this way. If the owners actually wanted this issue squashed then Roger would have done just that. Settled and gave in but obviously they want the Pats to change their way of thinking and knock off their shady bullshit. The balls were deflated and Brady is hiding something. They deserve be hammered and punished and it will be a real in justice if Brady does not serve some type of suspension.

Why should he get out of his suspension when other players don't?

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Why? You like people convicted without any proof of guilt? Is that your idea?

"Convicted"?

I didn't realize Brady was facing actual jail time and that he had been convicted of a crime where the standard of evidence is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I thought this was a case where an employer was suspending an employee for not cooperating with an internal investigation.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Why? You like people convicted without any proof of guilt? Is that your idea?

Are you serious? Dude admitted that he did NOT cooperate to the fullest extent with the investigation, and THAT is in part why the suspension is so severe. Its not just about cheating...Then there's the whole, "Whoops, I destroyed my relatively new cell phone" thing.

I'm all for due process, but when there is a clear admission by the person in question that he did not cooperate as much as he could have in an investigation, which directly leads to the lack of due process because circumstantial evidence must then be more heavily weighted, then I don't have a problem with it at all. This is nothing more than attempt by the Brady team to manipulate the system and use rules that are in place to seek justice, to be manipulated in ways that prevent it; while at the same time, get people to think along the same lines as you are now. THAT tactic is far more scary than what you're suggesting.

[oldandslow]

Originally Posted by unlurking

I don't really care either way, but come on. Let's not act like he's an innocent man sitting on death row. His employer is dissatisfied with his on duty performance and is reprimanding him for it.

...and that employee certainly has the right to take the employer to court if they step over the line...

Which Tom Brady is doing.

I hate the Pats, but to trust in the commissioner's office of this league is a fool's errand.

[oldandslow]

Originally Posted by TEX

Are you serious? Dude admitted that he did NOT cooperate to the fullest extent with the investigation, and THAT is in part why the suspension is so severe. Its not just about cheating...Then there's the whole, "Whoops, I destroyed my relatively new cell phone" thing.

I'm all for due process, but when there is a clear admission by the person in question that he did not cooperate as much as he could have in an investigation, which directly leads to the lack of due process because circumstantial evidence must then be more heavily weighted, then I don't have a problem with it at all. This is nothing more than attempt by the Brady team to manipulate the system and use rules that are in place to seek justice, to be manipulated in ways that prevent it; While at the same time, get people to think along the same lines as you are now. THAT tactic is far more scary than what you're suggesting.

Let's pretend that Tom has phone call's on there to a mistress. Would you trust the league to keep that quiet? Hell, I would destroy mine as well.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

...and that employee certainly has the right to take the employer to court if they step over the line...

Which Tom Brady is doing.

I hate the Pats, but to trust in the commissioner's office of this league is a fool's errand.

Exactly. Let the process play itself out.

[Amnorix]

Suspension VACATED!

[kcjayhawks5]

**** the NFL

[ChiliConCarnage]

whoa haha

[GoChargers]

Cheatriots fans' tears will be extra delicious when the NFL appeals and wins.

[Marcellus]

It's what should have happened. It was anbullshit case and the penalty was massively overstepping the rules in the CBA

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Suspension VACATED!

**** you

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Suspension VACATED!

Not the same as innocent at all.

It just mean another judge siding with the players union no matter what.


look through this thread, knew it was coming


worthless sack of shit judges don't give a **** about rules or legal documents, they just want to be liked by people

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Berman is going to be a big pussy and let Brady off the hook. He won't have the guts to stand by the legalities of the case. Bunch of bullshit. Every suspended player should go whine and cry to get their pay checks back.

Berman is a union stooge, just like the clown in Minnesota.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC