Chiefs One penality for 5 yards against the Pats - Page 3

BlackOp · 09:44 PM

NFL wanted to keep the Chargers close...I figured this was the case.

Edit* My bad...NE had ZERO penalty yards...AR declined a token 5 yarder.

Will have to check to see the last time that has happened..if ever.

NJChiefsFan · 10-14-2018, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

The only angle I saw when Fuller was called for a holding that offset OPI didn't show a side angle. He got beat by the receiver and if he grabbed his jersey and pulled it then ya it was holding. Did you see an angle that let you see if that happened or not?

And refs have let receivers and defenders arm jostle while running down the sideline as long as I can remember. It's not until someone pushes off at the very end when something is called.

That's not even the play I'm giving shit to Fuller for. Seemed like a phantom call to me.

But the TD coverage and the coverage on Hogan was terrible. I don't care what push off S Taylor is referencing on that play, Fuller could have made a play on the ball but instead panics, doesn't trust himself, and just tackles Hogan. A #1 corner can't have that little confidence. This isn't about what I think about Fuller long-term.

But those plays by Nelson and Fuller are mind-boggling. Just try to make an attempt on the ball or at least give the refs a chance not to call it. Those are blatant, easy calls.

NJChiefsFan · 10-14-2018, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You are either completely ignoring Hogan blatantly pushing off the entire route, or you don’t understand that at worst it should be offsetting penalties based on what transpired on that play. Like I said what the **** do you want a guy to do when he is getting pushed multiple times on a go route? The coverage was actually good, but when a guy can push off like that it is extremely tough to defend.

I expect him to turn around and make a play on the ball or just not tackle the guy. You are guaranteeing a flag. Let's of course not allow for any chance that you are seeing the play wrong. We all know how bad you want Fuller and Nelson to be good. Hell I do as well but those are not smart plays no matter how much you blame the refs.

staylor26 · 10-14-2018, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I expect him to turn around and make a play on the ball or just not tackle the guy. You are guaranteeing a flag.

Lol easy to say from your couch.

Answer my question. By the rule, did Hogan not push off? If you say no, you’re either lying or you missed the replay where it showed the entire route. It was ridiculously obvious.

staylor26 · 10-14-2018, 10:09 PM

Anybody that doesn’t understand how frustrating it is when a guy is pushing off the entire way down the field and all you can do is grab on has honestly never had to cover somebody themselves and deal with it.

It’s so easy to say he should’ve turned around or whatever. That’s easier said than done in that context. The guy had good coverage and without the push off that ball doesn’t get completed and he never has to grab back at him.

Eleazar · 10-14-2018, 10:10 PM

The only call that I even thought was questionable was Fuller holding on the play where Edelman was called for pushing off.

Other than that, it was a very clean game and the officials were a non-factor. The penalties called on us, other than maybe that one, were all legitimate.

jd1020 · 10-14-2018, 10:11 PM

If you are waiting for a ref to throw a flag on either a receiver or CB for arm jostling down the side line you are gonna be waiting a long long time. It happens on every pass play. Until someone commits blatant PI or the defender holds then its gonna be a play on situation.

NJChiefsFan · 10-14-2018, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol easy to say from your couch.

Answer my question. By the rule, did Hogan not push off? If you say no, you’re either lying or you missed the replay where it showed the entire route. It was ridiculously obvious.

Of course it's easy to say from my couch. But is it not reasonable to expect a #1 corner to do that? Am I really being unreasonable? Like are we that bad that we need to compare how a Chief plays to how I play? Should I respond with any criticism you have with "real easy to say from your couch". What a cop-out response for a message board.

As for your question, it's hard to tell from the angle they show what Hogan's extended arm is doing to Fuller but I would agree that it should have been called.

Now my question I would like you to answer is this, does Hogan's actions really excuse Fuller from grabbing his arm and making it that easy for the refs to call? You know they want to make a call. You can't do that. Even if it should have been negating penalties Fuller can't play it that way. If he does we are going to be screwed every time. You also know that WR's will get that call again and again, fair or not.

Really the more egregious decision was Nelson's actual tackle on Gordon.

NJChiefsFan · 10-14-2018, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Anybody that doesn’t understand how frustrating it is when a guy is pushing off the entire way down the field and all you can do is grab on has honestly never had to cover somebody themselves and deal with it.

It’s so easy to say he should’ve turned around or whatever. That’s easier said than done in that context. The guy had good coverage and without the push off that ball doesn’t get completed and he never has to grab back at him.

But the point is grabbing back, justified or not, is GUARANTEEING a call. This isn't about whether I feel Fuller's pain or not. It's about what needs to be done. The league isn't going to change. Fuller is going to get called for pulling a players arm down every time.

Hammock Parties · 10-14-2018, 10:23 PM

the penality mightier

Mecca · 10-14-2018, 10:25 PM

Kendall Fuller isn't a 1Cb lets stop that talk now.

gimmieshelter69rs · 10-14-2018, 10:26 PM

Up 40-33 belichick lets hill score, almost positive he let that go. New KC could not stop his offense. Reid using his timeouts early pushed that desicion. Did want to play for OT

BlackOp · 10-14-2018, 10:27 PM

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Then why did they allow the Chargers to lose a home division game to KC to start the season? You’re a ****ing idiot.

If I respected your opinion...I might reply with a counter. I figure being limited intellectually and angry because of it is punishment enough...have a nice life.

**LoneWolf** · 10-14-2018, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

If I respected your opinion...I might reply with a counter. I figure being limited intellectually and angry because of it is punishment enough...have a nice life.

Nice tapout.

jd1020 · 10-14-2018, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gimmieshelter69rs

Up 40-33 belichick lets hill score, almost positive he let that go. New KC could not stop his offense. Reid using his timeouts early pushed that desicion. Did want to play for OT

What? Do you think Belichick was on the radio in his defenders ear telling him to let Hill go?

gimmieshelter69rs · 10-14-2018, 10:33 PM

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What? Do you think Belichick was on the radio in his defenders ear telling him to let Hill go?

No they would have talked about that before hand.

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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $1799040	Anybody that doesn’t understand how frustrating it is when a guy is pushing off the entire way down the field and all you can do is grab on has honestly never had to cover somebody themselves and deal with it. It’s so easy to say he should’ve turned around or whatever. That’s easier said than done in that context. The guy had good coverage and without the push off that ball doesn’t get completed and he never has to grab back at him.
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	The only call that I even thought was questionable was Fuller holding on the play where Edelman was called for pushing off. Other than that, it was a very clean game and the officials were a non-factor. The penalties called on us, other than maybe that one, were all legitimate.
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jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7742645	If you are waiting for a ref to throw a flag on either a receiver or CB for arm jostling down the side line you are gonna be waiting a long long time. It happens on every pass play. Until someone commits blatant PI or the defender holds then its gonna be a play on situation.
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gimmieshelter69rs Banned Join Date: Oct 2018 Casino cash: $10000400	Up 40-33 belichick lets hill score, almost positive he let that go. New KC could not stop his offense. Reid using his timeouts early pushed that desicion. Did want to play for OT
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