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**BigRedChief** · 06-22-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That is 'in the air' for sure. That's why at the end of the episode he decided against killing himself and started digging into his arm instead.

The writers are walking a fine line between paying off the 'puzzle box' of a narrative, and stretching out the ambiguities until all audience interest is exhausted.

Hopefully a finale spurs them to dole out some payoffs. I've been patient, but I don't relish another entire year of 'geez, I wonder WTF is going on.'

yeah, I think after Lost audiences will only give you so much room with your shows “mystery” until they expect something solved. Doesn’t have to be the whole puzzle solved but it had better be a substantial piece or they move on.

**notorious** · 06-24-2018, 02:45 PM

I ran out of steam a month ago. Is this show worth me getting caught up?

There were some decent parts up to 2.4, but damn, I lost a lot of interest.

**Baby Lee** · 06-24-2018, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

I ran out of steam a month ago. Is this show worth me getting caught up?

There were some decent parts up to 2.4, but damn, I lost a lot of interest.

Preferably tomorrow

Discuss Thrower · 06-24-2018, 10:37 PM

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**BigRedChief** · 06-24-2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

I ran out of steam a month ago. Is this show worth me getting caught up?

There were some decent parts up to 2.4, but damn, I lost a lot of interest.

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Hooooooooooooleeeeeeeeeee shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Here’s your response Notorious

It had some slow episodes but it pays off. Watch the whole season and GTFO of this thread. I don’t know what the spoiler rules are but you don’t want to see them.

BleedingRed · 06-25-2018, 10:20 AM

Wow........... Amazing stuff, these guys have learned there lesson from LOST. Just a quality amazing stories that are unfolding. I'm juiced for Season 3

**BigRedChief** · 06-25-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Wow........... Amazing stuff, these guys have learned there lesson from LOST. Just a quality amazing stories that are unfolding. I'm juiced for Season 3

If they dont give out some payoffs and just play coy with the viewers and ending, many would have not come back for season 3. JJ Abrams was a part of both of the shows.

Lost ruined that for every series going forward. Audiences like mystery, you don't have to give us the whole mystery but its better be something substantial after 2 years or we are out. We still don't know a lot. Plenty of material to cover in season 3. They pulled this part of the series off better than most series have since Lost.

listopencil · 06-25-2018, 10:51 AM

Yeah. As soon as I saw him digging at his right forearm I figured it just about had to be true. Here's a non spoiler: That ass on 'Hale' is legit. A bit more spoilery: If Bernard was in one of those spheres that 'Wyatt' was carrying then who were the other four? Seems like Maeve would have to be one of them given Wyatt's speech about who/what was needed for the struggle to continue.

Discuss Thrower · 06-25-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Yeah. As soon as I saw him digging at his right forearm I figured it just about had to be true. Here's a non spoiler: That ass on 'Hale' is legit. A bit more spoilery: If Bernard was in one of those spheres that 'Wyatt' was carrying then who were the other four? Seems like Maeve would have to be one of them given Wyatt's speech about who/what was needed for the struggle to continue.

Spoiler!

listopencil · 06-25-2018, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Spoiler!

That's hard to believe considering all of the physical damage he has endured without proper medical care just in the last few episodes. And the similarity in the two scenes (Delos).

Discuss Thrower · 06-25-2018, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

That's hard to believe considering all of the physical damage he has endured without proper medical care just in the last few episodes. And the similarity in the two scenes (Delos).

I report: you decide.

**BigRedChief** · 06-25-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Yeah. As soon as I saw him digging at his right forearm I figured it just about had to be true. Here's a non spoiler: That ass on 'Hale' is legit. A bit more spoilery: If Bernard was in one of those spheres that 'Wyatt' was carrying then who were the other four? Seems like Maeve would have to be one of them given Wyatt's speech about who/what was needed for the struggle to continue.

There are several different time frames and we dont know for sure when the digging, ending post credits, him in the core or wounded on the stretcher are in that timeline. We think we do but, seems a curve ball that could be thrown into the plot next year.

listopencil · 06-25-2018, 11:23 AM

Here the quote I think you were referring to:

Spoiler!

**Baby Lee** · 07-06-2018, 06:16 AM

Here's an eloquent summation of why I stick with the show, sumptuous imagination inspiring visuals and beautiful music.

The last season was a tad more convoluted that was necessary, but I stick around for the moments of beauty it can pay off.

I was hooked early on by Abernathy's complete decompensation.
The broad themes spark my imagination regarding truth, mortality and humanity.
One-off narratives like Atchetka's, or the journey to Samurai world are fulfilling.
The broad vistas are beautiful just to look at
The actors are attractive and committed.

It's not the perfect show, but there are other shows to fill other needs. Better Call Saul for coherent and well-thought-out narrative. Rick and Morty for creativity and astounding philosophical musings. GoT for world building. etc.

One thing I wanted to shoehorn in here, but simply couldn't make a connection to make it anything more than a non sequitur, but there is one moment from the next-to-last episode of this past season. Rivalling the performance of Abernathy, there was a moment of near-total decompensation by Dolores when Teddy killed himself. It went beyond grief and confusion to an apparent state of processor overload. It was one of the most unique dramatic responses to a death I can recall, occasioned by one of the most unique deaths in terms of narrative put to celluloid. ERW knocked that moment out of the park.

**BigRedChief** · 07-06-2018, 07:30 PM

The thing that concerns me going forward is the budget. One of the reasons for delay in the next season is because the producers need to learn how to make this cheaper. The $100 million a season is not bringing in enough new subscribers so HBO said cut the budget.

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