Chiefs *****The Tanoh Kpassagnon Thread***** - Page 26

Chargem · 05-10-2018, 12:20 AM

I think people forget about salary inflation. Mack is going to get $25-30 mil on his next contract, and if you tried to get rid of Houston and replace him with a new contract for a better passrusher, it definitely costs more than Houston does currently.

Plus PFF ranked Houston as the 15th best edge guy overall last season, he by no means sucks.

People get far too wrapped up in sacks in my opinion, overall pressure and affecting the passer is the important thing.

Buckweath · 05-10-2018, 06:10 AM

10 sacks is pretty good. That is the number of sacks that Von Miller had last year, yeah the guy who is ranked no.1 on the NFL top pass rushers list going into next season.

I guess having a 22 sack season will create unrealistic expectations for some fans. Houston's play was not as good as it was the before but he was still good.

He was ranked #87 overall by PFF.

**RockChalk** · 05-10-2018, 09:23 AM

Good Lord Virus and SNR, just throw him in the damn hole already...

O.city · 05-10-2018, 10:25 AM

It’s not a fact

He is an elite player

bigjosh · 05-10-2018, 10:36 AM

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It’s not a fact

He is an elite player

Yeah, thats not the argument either. You people try to twist shit worse than the dc nuts.

Again, im not arguing his merits as a player. As a pass rusher.

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O.city · 05-10-2018, 10:54 AM

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Yeah, thats not the argument either. You people try to twist shit worse than the dc nuts.

Again, im not arguing his merits as a player. As a pass rusher.

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Hes an elite pass rusher though too.

ThaVirus · 05-10-2018, 11:10 AM

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Hes an elite pass rusher though too.

Not on CP where you need to eclipse 18 sacks every season in order to be considered an elite pass rusher.

ThaVirus · 05-21-2018, 09:24 PM

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Hes an elite pass rusher though too.

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Justin Houston, despite his amazing pass rushing abilities, was not called upon to be a pure pass rusher this year like nearly all elite 3-4 outside linebackers are. Instead, he was required to be much more versatile. He rushed the passer on 76.7% of his snaps, bringing his season total to 412. In those 412 pass rushes, he pressured the QB 54 times, 11th most in the NFL. Everyone above him had a higher percentage of pass rush snaps, with all but three of them over 90%. If we use that 90% number, which is on the lower end of the averages when it comes to elite 3-4 OLBs, and apply it to Houston’s 2017 season, he’d have had 64 pressures, sliding him up to 6th in the NFL.

Now those pass rushing numbers look a little better don’t they? But wait a second. Just because he’s not pass rushing doesn’t mean he’s a good pass defender does it? Well, of those 125 times he was asked to drop into coverage, he allowed 11 receptions for 133 yards and 0 TDs. I’d say that’s pretty solid for a premier pass rusher in the NFL.

Just in case you were wondering about Houston’s run stopping ability, his 31 stops tied him for second in the league among 3-4 outside linebackers. So if anyone was thinking maybe he’s a passing down specialist, think again.

On the surface, you might look at volume pass rushing numbers to judge Houston’s season. It would be an honest mistake considering his history and what the typical 3-4 OLB is asked to do. However, if you do that, you’ll miss the entire picture. He was asked to do much more than pass rush in 2017, and he did it well. Houston’s elite versatility and performance in all three elements of a linebacker’s game (pass rushing, coverage, and run stopping) have landed him a spot at number 79 on our list.

He's worth what we pay him.

bricks · 05-21-2018, 09:43 PM

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He's worth what we pay him.

I’ve always thought of Houston as a complete linebacker.

Willie Lanier · 05-21-2018, 09:58 PM

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He's worth what we pay him.

Agreed, it's not his fault his coordinator is utilizing him wrong... There's a reason he posted a single season sack record (for KC) and "buttons" as someone else on this site has anointed him has been absolutely horrid at developing anything on the other side of Houston...

Chiefs=Champions · 05-22-2018, 05:26 AM

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He's worth what we pay him.

Only fools think he's not elite.

**MahiMike** · 05-10-2018, 11:19 AM

I'm expecting big things from kpass. Big things.

Chiefnj2 · 05-10-2018, 11:25 AM

Elite players help carry a team in the post season. That is not Houston thus far in his career.

OKchiefs · 05-10-2018, 11:45 AM

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Elite players help carry a team in the post season. That is not Houston thus far in his career.

Yep. He's never done a single damn thing noteworthy in the playoffs.

Buckweath · 05-10-2018, 11:57 AM

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Yep. He's never done a single damn thing noteworthy in the playoffs.

Lol, of all the players you guys could pick on, you chose Houston this time. Who's next, Eric Berry?

05-10-2018, 12:20 AM	#1
Chargem Veteran Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $3780400	I think people forget about salary inflation. Mack is going to get $25-30 mil on his next contract, and if you tried to get rid of Houston and replace him with a new contract for a better passrusher, it definitely costs more than Houston does currently. Plus PFF ranked Houston as the 15th best edge guy overall last season, he by no means sucks. People get far too wrapped up in sacks in my opinion, overall pressure and affecting the passer is the important thing.
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05-10-2018, 06:10 AM	#2
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	10 sacks is pretty good. That is the number of sacks that Von Miller had last year, yeah the guy who is ranked no.1 on the NFL top pass rushers list going into next season. I guess having a 22 sack season will create unrealistic expectations for some fans. Houston's play was not as good as it was the before but he was still good. He was ranked #87 overall by PFF.
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