Football NFL announces new penalties for domestic violence - Page 4

**The Franchise** · 08-28-2014, 12:29 PM

The NFL announced sweeping new measures on domestic violence in a letter to owners today; Six games for 1st offense, lifetime ban for 2nd.
— Jane McManus (@janesports) August 28, 2014

**notorious** · 08-28-2014, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You are seriously out of touch with reality.

Just because you hold some ridiculously insane and out of touch belief, does not make it fact and in this case you simply couldn't be more wrong in regards to current employment policy and practice in most businesses.

Do you work construction or something? You have to be some type of contractor.

I am a wood floor guy and I get it.

This isn't a "What's your career" subject, it's a "Do you have brains?" subject.

Mr. Laz · 08-28-2014, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

So your job doesn't ask applicants about their criminal history or do background checks?
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exactly ...

criminal records is a viable reason not to hire and/or fire somebody

reality

BucEyedPea · 08-28-2014, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

But it is, in fact, not the NFL's business. Criminal behavior is the business of the police and court system. The fact that you believe otherwise merely demonstrates that it's you who happens to be the idiot.

I agree. Besides, innocent until proven guilty. Then the NFL should act.

I may think otherwise if it's murder and looks likely to harm a team's moral working with the guy. Unless there's a decent defense or explanation until proven guilty. Like with the Patriot's Hernandez but that was a team decision. And his story wasn't good or his connections either.

Twenty percent of the NFL should be fired due to gang or criminal connections or pasts.

Marcellus · 08-28-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

I am a wood floor guy and I get it.

Nothing wrong with being a contractor or construction laborer, its one of the few jobs that depending on size of the company do little drug testing etc...is why I brought it up.

KCTitus · 08-28-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

But it is, in fact, not the NFL's business. Criminal behavior is the business of the police and court system. The fact that you believe otherwise merely demonstrates that it's you who happens to be the idiot.

As a hiring manager...I can tell you for a fact, that even contractors are screened with background checks. And it is most certainly a companies business to know who they are hiring.

**notorious** · 08-28-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Nothing wrong with being a contractor or construction laborer, its one of the few jobs that depending on size of the company do little drug testing etc...is why I brought it up.

Ohhhhhhhhh.

Carry on.

Mr. Laz · 08-28-2014, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I agree. Besides, innocent until proven guilty. Then the NFL should act.
I may think otherwise if it's murder and looks likely to harm a team's moral working with the guy. Unless there's a decent defense or explanation until proven guilty. Like with the Patriot's Hernandez but that was a team decision.

Twenty percent of the NFL should be fired due to gang or criminal connections or pasts.

So a Child Care company should not concern itself with hiring a person that a previous violate crime or child molestation charge/conviction?

It's not any of a Bank's business when hiring a cashier that said person has several embezzlement charges in their past?

htismaqe · 08-28-2014, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

apparently he really does think that it's not an companies' business when it's employees commits a crime.

News flash ... police in every city make it a point to notify a business when it's employee commits a crime. If they have the time anyway.

Usually they will call under the guise of 'verifying employment' and then let it slip why. They did it all the time with us by talking to our security people.

Then our Asset Protection office tells our personnel manager.

The employee generally gets reviewed and fired.

It's not even committing a crime. Several of the NFLs rules apply even when you're ACCUSED of a crime. And guess what? Many many companies hold their employees to a similar standard. It's a PR thing.

stumppy · 08-28-2014, 01:17 PM

I finally figured out how to put a stop to DV with my ex.

Anytime things were escalating and looked like the situation could turn ugly I would ask a simple question.
"How would you not like to see me for a few days". If that's what she wanted then I'd grant her wish.
Worked every time. Sure enough, after a few days the swelling would go down around her eyes to where she could see me again.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 08-28-2014, 01:18 PM

Union was informed about the NFL's new domestic violence policy. It's under personal conduct, so the commissioner could act unilaterally.
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) August 28, 2014

BucEyedPea · 08-28-2014, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

As a hiring manager...I can tell you for a fact, that even contractors are screened with background checks. And it is most certainly a companies business to know who they are hiring.

Wouldn't a background check only show a conviction or merely am accusation by someone? What is the standard?

Chief Roundup · 08-28-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Once again, the NFL plays the tough guy about something that should be none of its business.

I guess you also think the NFL has no business concerning itself with physical abuse, drunk driving then.
These are legal matters that get played out in the media. The NFL is a huge business that has an image to uphold. If they do not suspend players for conduct that is detrimental to the brand, NFL, then they would be seen as supporting those types of behaviors by many people and lose millions of dollars in revenue.

Most companies have programs that they put you in to give you a chance to change. Once you have proven you will not change you will no longer be employed at that company.
Most of the jobs in this country have some type of drug policy that includes having a urinalysis done to get the job and periodically or if they think it is necessary and that it could result in your termination.

Marcellus · 08-28-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's not even committing a crime. Several of the NFLs rules apply even when you're ACCUSED of a crime. And guess what? Many many companies hold their employees to a similar standard. It's a PR thing.

We have a written policy every employee signs when hired that states anytime you are arrested you can potentially be fired regardless of a conviction or charges being filed. You don't automatically get fired but it depends on management review of the situation and circumstances.

No shit.

We have used it a few times to get rid of a few less desirable employees.

KCTitus · 08-28-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Wouldn't a background check only show a conviction or merely am accusation by someone? What is the standard?

I really dont know...that piece is run by HR/Compliance and they tell me whether or not I can offer employment to that individual. I know it's very extensive and can take up to two weeks to complete all the checks my company does. It's very conservative.

Chief Roundup · 08-28-2014, 01:29 PM

If you think this stuff should not done I am curious to know if you believe that a larger number if not most companies are also looking around on Facebook at you and your friends, your emergency contacts, your references, and so on to see what you and your friends post about. They are trying to get a better idea of the person that they are hiring.

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