Football Is Aaron Rodgers GROSSLY overrated? - Page 6

Hootie · 09-22-2014, 11:16 PM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ck-experiment/

I watched the entire GB/Det game and I must say...Rodgers has not gotten better at getting rid of the ball. He's got a lot of Alex Smith in him in that regard. He takes a TON of unnecessary sacks. It's bothersome. He also missed a wide open Jordy Nelson when trying to come back on 4th and 5 with a terrible pass 3 yards behind him in a clean pocket...

He's had 1 good playoff run. So has Joe Flacco.

Why does everyone think he's the best QB in the NFL?

I think he's top 5, certainly. But I also don't understand how Tony Romo is a choker, but Aaron Rodgers is not?

I have been grossly unimpressed with Rodgers this year...and in all honesty, the last few postseasons...super meh.

I've said this for a few years now, but...I'd take Russell Wilson over Aaron Rodgers and at this point, I don't even think it's close.

Also, Rodgers is nowhere near Peyton Manning (obvi) or IN HIS PRIME Tom Brady, let's be honest.

Hammock Parties · 09-23-2014, 10:46 AM

Dan Marino only had one great playoff run. Other than that he never won more than a single playoff game.

In fact, when Marino was Rodgers' age he had five playoff wins to Rodgers' six.

DAN MARINO IS GROSSLY OVERRATED.

MagicHef · 09-23-2014, 10:47 AM

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Here are the QBs that have been mentioned so far in this thread, points allowed by defense is the X axis, win % is the Y axis:

Most QBs are contained in the same band, Peyton consitantly at the top, Alex solely occupying the bottom.

Wilson is at the top with Peyton until he hits a wall at 24 points.

Rivers and Manning both get weird bumps at the end where they've won shootouts.

Mennonite · 09-23-2014, 10:47 AM

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And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon.

**Saul Good** · 09-23-2014, 10:50 AM

Colin Cowherd is discussing this exact topic right now.

Hammock Parties · 09-23-2014, 10:52 AM

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Colin Cowherd is discussing this exact topic right now.

Just tweeted the Marino info to him.

Hootie · 09-23-2014, 10:55 AM

Look, I like Rodgers. He's very good. I'm just not sure he's hall of fame good...and I'm not quite sure how he's THAT much better than Tony Romo. I do think he's a bit better, no doubt...but he's closer to Romo than he is to Manning and that's without question.

Hootie · 09-23-2014, 10:57 AM

I did say this before the season, as well...and I also pointed out his tendency to hold the ball to long and the too many sacks...Which he's been especially bad at this year...

And that 4th and 5 pass to Jordy was awful.

The packers need to be a no huddle, 90% of the time type of team...that's on McCarthy, though

Hammock Parties · 09-23-2014, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Look, I like Rodgers. He's very good. I'm just not sure he's hall of fame good...and I'm not quite sure how he's THAT much better than Tony Romo. I do think he's a bit better, no doubt...but he's closer to Romo than he is to Manning and that's without question.

When Manning was Rodgers' age, he had seven playoff wins and one great playoff run.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-23-2014, 11:01 AM

Rodgers is about 10-20% overrated. He's still one of the top guys you'd want to build a franchise around, though, and he's significantly better than Tony Romo. I agree that he gets too much of a benefit of the doubt for the first five playoff games of his career, but he's still a great player.

Also, for as much as people praise his weapons, what have they done once they left GB?

I would bet that Rodgers would trade his OL, Nelson, Cobb and Eddie Lacy for Dez Bryant, Witten, Dallas' OL, and DeMarco Murray in a heartbeat

Hootie · 09-23-2014, 11:12 AM

I think great QBs make adequate to below average lines look just fine. Peyton did it his whole career.

Rodgers is a CP darling, and gets every excuse. His statistic in close games is atrocious, and the sample size suggests it's just not some simple anomaly.

He's a top 5 NFL QB, imo...but honestly, he's closer to the Rivers/Romo tier than the Brady/Manning tier (and I'm talking Brady in his prime)

2010 was a long time ago.

Hootie · 09-23-2014, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

When Manning was Rodgers' age, he had seven playoff wins and one great playoff run.

and Peyton Manning gets all the grief in the world...

Aaron Rodgers is, and has proven to be, a much bigger "choker" than Peyton Manning yet no one wants to say it...

I'm here to ask why?

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-23-2014, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

2010 was a long time ago.

When did Peyton win that SB again?

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-23-2014, 11:32 AM

MAYBE, you could argue overrated, but GROSSLY?

MagicHef · 09-23-2014, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

When Manning was Rodgers' age, he had seven playoff wins and one great playoff run.

When Brees was Rodgers' age, he had one playoff win.

Hootie · 09-23-2014, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

When did Peyton win that SB again?

Rodgers last won a playoff game when ... ?

09-22-2014, 11:16 PM
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Is Aaron Rodgers GROSSLY overrated? http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ck-experiment/ I watched the entire GB/Det game and I must say...Rodgers has not gotten better at getting rid of the ball. He's got a lot of Alex Smith in him in that regard. He takes a TON of unnecessary sacks. It's bothersome. He also missed a wide open Jordy Nelson when trying to come back on 4th and 5 with a terrible pass 3 yards behind him in a clean pocket... He's had 1 good playoff run. So has Joe Flacco. Why does everyone think he's the best QB in the NFL? I think he's top 5, certainly. But I also don't understand how Tony Romo is a choker, but Aaron Rodgers is not? I have been grossly unimpressed with Rodgers this year...and in all honesty, the last few postseasons...super meh. I've said this for a few years now, but...I'd take Russell Wilson over Aaron Rodgers and at this point, I don't even think it's close. Also, Rodgers is nowhere near Peyton Manning (obvi) or IN HIS PRIME Tom Brady, let's be honest.
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09-23-2014, 10:46 AM	#76
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4570478	Dan Marino only had one great playoff run. Other than that he never won more than a single playoff game. In fact, when Marino was Rodgers' age he had five playoff wins to Rodgers' six. DAN MARINO IS GROSSLY OVERRATED. __________________ Chiefs game films
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09-23-2014, 10:50 AM	#79
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09-23-2014, 10:55 AM	#81
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Look, I like Rodgers. He's very good. I'm just not sure he's hall of fame good...and I'm not quite sure how he's THAT much better than Tony Romo. I do think he's a bit better, no doubt...but he's closer to Romo than he is to Manning and that's without question.
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09-23-2014, 10:57 AM	#82
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I did say this before the season, as well...and I also pointed out his tendency to hold the ball to long and the too many sacks...Which he's been especially bad at this year... And that 4th and 5 pass to Jordy was awful. The packers need to be a no huddle, 90% of the time type of team...that's on McCarthy, though
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09-23-2014, 11:01 AM	#84
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7989572	Rodgers is about 10-20% overrated. He's still one of the top guys you'd want to build a franchise around, though, and he's significantly better than Tony Romo. I agree that he gets too much of a benefit of the doubt for the first five playoff games of his career, but he's still a great player. Also, for as much as people praise his weapons, what have they done once they left GB? I would bet that Rodgers would trade his OL, Nelson, Cobb and Eddie Lacy for Dez Bryant, Witten, Dallas' OL, and DeMarco Murray in a heartbeat __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-23-2014, 11:12 AM	#85
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I think great QBs make adequate to below average lines look just fine. Peyton did it his whole career. Rodgers is a CP darling, and gets every excuse. His statistic in close games is atrocious, and the sample size suggests it's just not some simple anomaly. He's a top 5 NFL QB, imo...but honestly, he's closer to the Rivers/Romo tier than the Brady/Manning tier (and I'm talking Brady in his prime) 2010 was a long time ago.
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09-23-2014, 11:32 AM	#88
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	MAYBE, you could argue overrated, but GROSSLY?
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