If I'm Manning, I retire now.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I wouldn't wanna play anymore if it's gonna be at a level I'm not accustomed to playing. Much respect though. Great career. But father time is undefeated.

[Hootie]

So I'm to be convinced that a team loses a 1st round pick, gets a maximum fine both organizationally and to the head coach ...

and then

on top of that

the NFL deems it necessary to DESTROY all the evidence

You're right.

Surely it was nothing.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

I will say that if Brady does lose to Luck or Rodgers/Wilson, his legacy will be no where near what it should be and the narrative will become one that forgets his early success and focuses on his latter year track record of coming up just short. Sort of like Manning outside of one year has become an analogy to Marty Schottenheimer, Brady's latter years would become an analogy to Andy Reid.

If he wins it all this year, with 4 rings and 6 SB's, all we're going to hear about is GOAT...

If he loses, then I think most pick Montana as GOAT and put Brady as top five at least. I don't know if that is "no where near what it should be".

I will say this -- I've been lucky enough to see ALOT of championships in my time. Watched alot of Boston sports. Seen all four of my hometown teams take home the crown during my lifetime. It takes a combination of alot of things to win it all, and in no team sport is one guy solely going to make it happen. One guy can LOSE a championship, but one guy can't.

All you can do is savor the performances of excellent players when they are playing and appreciate what you're seeing. Even ifyou don't win it all. Appreciate it. Because all too soon it will be gone, an dyour team will be back to average, or worse. It happens to every sports team, so appreciate it while you have it.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

So I'm to be convinced that a team loses a 1st round pick, gets a maximum fine both organizationally and to the head coach ...

and then

on top of that

the NFL deems it necessary to DESTROY all the evidence

You're right.

Surely it was nothing.

Cameragate was in 2007, not 2001, 2003 or 2004. It was about the placement of a camera, not about stealing signals, WHICH IS LEGAL in the NFL, just like it's legal in baseball and basketball.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3017423


Thanks for playing.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

So I'm to be convinced that a team loses a 1st round pick, gets a maximum fine both organizationally and to the head coach ...

and then

on top of that

the NFL deems it necessary to DESTROY all the evidence

You're right.

Surely it was nothing.

What could the NFL possibly gain by keeping the evidence? Did you want it all posted on Youtube?

In their typical, dictatorial fashion they handed down their punishment and then wanted to move on. Destroying the videos accomplished that from their point of view.

You're acting like it was destroyed as part of a cover up of something even worse. WTF?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cameragate was in 2007, not 2001, 2003 or 2004. It was about the placement of a camera, not about stealing signals, WHICH IS LEGAL in the NFL, just like it's legal in baseball and basketball.

Thanks for playing.

Yeah, I tried that. Didn't make a dent. Nothing does.

[beach tribe]

I would get the best available QB I could find to start the first 10 games and try to win enough to stay in the PO race.
Peyton has actually been this way his entire career.
He has looked unstoppable the first half of every season I can remember.
I would make the last 6 games and the POs his first half of the season.
I know it sounds crazy but they sure as shit aint winning mask shit without him anyway.
Its worth a shot and you be hailed as the smartest guy football has ever seen.
.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Peyton and Tom have made careers out of giving their respectful teams great chances at Super Bowls year in and year out.

They have both won their divisions basically every year, they have both hosted a ton of home playoff games, they've been to 8 combined Super Bowls, probably like 15-16 championship games combined...

One guy, unfortunately, was tarnished a bit by a horrible cheating scandal that was so damning the NFL deemed it necessary to destroy evidence ... but, other than that...

both have been an absolute joy to watch!

They both also had it easy playing in such crappy divisions. Never really challenged most years. Especially Manning. At least Rex challenges Brady.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Yeah, I tried that. Didn't make a dent. Nothing does.

He's not trying to be honest or reasonable. He's trying to make sure that Peyton will still let him lick his balls at the end of the day. That's why I have fun pointing out the facts again and again. He's got no defense to it beyond the fingers in the ear "la la la" maneuvers. It gets boring after a while, but he'll start up with the stupid again in another thread, and it'll be fun again.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

They both also had it easy playing in such crappy divisions. Never really challenged most years. Especially Manning. At least Rex challenges Brady.

Except the Patriots have basically the same win % in the division as out of it, during the BB/Brady era, so that doesn't fly.

In the 12 seasons starting in 2003, the Patriots are 57-13 against AFC East foes, a winning percentage of .814.

Against the rest of the league, they're 92-28 and .766.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...sion/20454087/

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

What could the NFL possibly gain by keeping the evidence? Did you want it all posted on Youtube?

In their typical, dictatorial fashion they handed down their punishment and then wanted to move on. Destroying the videos accomplished that from their point of view.

You're acting like it was destroyed as part of a cover up of something even worse. WTF?

Oh. Yeah. Definitely.

Destroying the evidence of cheating is something that is commonly practiced, I'm sure.

[Hootie]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colum...fdb429d92.html

[Hootie]

(I can cherry pick mean articles, too!)

[Amnorix]

.

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Your entire argument is a house of cards. I'm not even sure you know what you're arguing FOR anymore anyway.

Do you actually have a main premise anymore? What is your ACTUAL argument?

[Hootie]

it's easy

Patriots fans and those who consider Peyton Manning to be a "choker" are total hypocrites.

but water under the bridge

I'm totally cheering for Tom Terrific to win it all this year and finally land a real Super Bowl ring! He totally deserves it IMHO

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

it's easy

Patriots fans and those who consider Peyton Manning to be a "choker" are total hypocrites.

but water under the bridge

I'm totally cheering for Tom Terrific to win it all this year and finally land a real Super Bowl ring! He totally deserves it IMHO

He's got 3 real Super Bowl rings already. You're right though, in that he deserves a 4th.