The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round

[kcbubb]

The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell.

The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent.

If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

What ****ing valid point was that? That he's terrified to draft a QB this year just like half the board is?

I'm not terrified of selecting a QB. The better option is to move down and select a possible dominant DE or LB. Why are you afraid of selecting a DE/LB?

[Brock]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I'm not terrified of selecting a QB. The better option is to move down and select a possible dominant DE or LB. Why are you afraid of selecting a DE/LB?

It's almost completely unrealistic. A trade down isn't going to happen.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Name the talent on USC's offense.

They may not be across-the-board first rounders, but that team has a shitload of talent on offense.

How many minutes did Sanchez play from behind? That defense kept him out tight spots too.

Don't get me wrong. Sanchez is probably my pick at #3. But the con that he hasn't been tested much is legitimate.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You could make the same argument for trading down, getting more picks and selecting someone like Everette Brown. You would be passing on a DE with the talent of Brown. He could end being a player like Shawn Merriman. It's a risk either way. No one knows.

The Chiefs had the #13 ranked defense in 2007. They had an old secondary in Ty Law and Surtain. They lost Jared Allen last season. You could make the argument that the Chiefs could have a #13 defense again next season if they hit the bulls eye and drafted a big time defensive end that could replace Jared Allen with the upgrades in the secondary(Carr, Flowers, Leggett).

You're comparing apples to oranges. We NEED a DE. We don't need an OLB for a 3-4 defense (as of yet). There is no DE worth the #3 spot. However...there are two QBs that are worth the #3 spot. Stafford and Sanchez. Go into the Draft forum and read the stuff on Sanchez.

And quit saying that we should just trade down. Everyone says it every year....and it never happens. How about this? We should just trade down for the Eagles two 1st round picks. Guess what....it would cost the Eagles their ENTIRE draft. Yeah....all 10 picks. to move up to the #3 spot.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Trading out of the top 3 is more difficult than it needs to be because idiot GMs rely on a draft chart to determine trade value. The good news is, we have a GM that won't make that mistake.

Given Pioli's history, if he believes he can get the guy he really wants a little lower in the draft, he will trade out of the #3 pick, even if that means getting slightly less trade value. If Stafford and/or Oher are on board, I don't think it will be difficult to find takers.

I think you could easily trade down and still get Sanchez. Sanchez is the guy I would prefer but I think at #3, it's a huge reach.

Well I figured it would come sooner or later. Here he is with the tired argument titled:

"THE NFL DRAFT VALUE CHART IS THE SUX000000RZ!!!!!"

[PhillyChiefFan]

I don't think any of this is going to get resolved until we have a HC and DC personally.

A QB this year is a must, when is up for debate but we will be drafting a QB no matter what Thigpen says. Pioli doesn't strike me as the type to go into a season without a full compliment of prepared and competant QB's.

He has done a good job so far picking QB's (see Brady and Cassell) granted it remains to be seen how much influence BB had on that, but still I'm much more hopeful with him behind the helm than Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by arc

You do know there is free agency and other draft picks, right?

The difference between Orakpo or Curry and what you can get in the second/third isn't very great. The difference between Stafford/Sanchez and Bomar or (snort) Fitzpatrick is f'ing huge.

THIS IS NOT TRUE. Look at history. Read this article. There are a lot ways to win the superbowl.

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story?i...s&confirm=true

I wish I could make everyone read the article above.

[ChiefsCountry]

Stupidity level around here is so freaking high. QB is the most important position in the freaking NFL. Hell in all of sports. Not MLB, not LT which we have, Not DE. We are in position now to grap a franchise QB. You are not in this position very often. Sanchez right now is at worse a top 10 pick. By draft day he will be top 3 easily. Next year's draft is loaded with defensive talent. Tons of it. Especially at DE. MLB is a 3rd or 4th round pick not a 1st. We have free agency as well to work with the defense. Don't expect a freaking Miami Dolphin season next year either. It isnt happening. Besides that team will fall flat on their face this year. We are in the same position to be the 90's Dallas Cowboys of this decade, and alot of you want to be the freaking Chiefs of the 90's.

[Brock]

Oh great, the old "Tom Brady was a sixth rounder" argument. How tiresome.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

THIS IS NOT TRUE. Look at history. Read this article. There are a lot ways to win the superbowl.

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story?i...s&confirm=true

I wish I could make everyone read the article above.

And I'm tired of the whole argument that "Tom Brady was a 6th round pick....let's just draft QBs late in the draft and we'll hit one!"

Tom Brady was a ****ing anomaly.

[suds79]

Why does everybody assume that Matt Cassell is the 2nd coming at Qb?

He's had 1 good year.

Well, so did Derek Anderson

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

You're comparing apples to oranges. We NEED a DE. We don't need an OLB for a 3-4 defense (as of yet). There is no DE worth the #3 spot. However...there are two QBs that are worth the #3 spot. Stafford and Sanchez. Go into the Draft forum and read the stuff on Sanchez.

And quit saying that we should just trade down. Everyone says it every year....and it never happens. How about this? We should just trade down for the Eagles two 1st round picks. Guess what....it would cost the Eagles their ENTIRE draft. Yeah....all 10 picks. to move up to the #3 spot.

The Ravens traded down last year from the 8th pick. It happens almost every year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Well I figured it would come sooner or later. Here he is with the tired argument titled:

"THE NFL DRAFT VALUE CHART IS THE SUX000000RZ!!!!!"

The draft chart is reeruned. I don't know how anyone can defend that piece of shit piece of paper.

Would you trade the same compensation for Chris Long as you would for Calvin Johnson? Because your lame draft chart says you should offer the same exact compensation for it.

The Ravens and the Pats are the two teams who like to trade down most. They do it a lot. I guess they have no idea what they're doing.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

The Ravens traded down last year from the 8th pick. It happens almost every year.

How often does a trade involving top 3 draft picks happen?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

The Ravens traded down last year from the 8th pick. It happens almost every year.

The 8th pick and the 3rd pick are two totally different things. That's like saying that it's just as easy to trade out of the 10th pick as it is to trade out of the 1st pick.