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[CrazyPhuD]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Firearms by far are the most common method of suicide in America. The idea that restricting access to firearms wouldn't reduce the suicide rate is laughable.

It would also severely reduce murder, manslaughter, assault, etc... but we all know that.

JFC man you're still going....I was going to kick you in the balls over this but I refrained last night in hopes that you'd let it go but it seems not....

So let's go with your theory that 'Restricting access to firearms would reduce the suicide rate'. It stands to reason that those countries with fewer firearms per capita should have measurably lower suicide rates than the US right?

So lets take a look.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_suicide_rate

Who's #1....wait it's not the US....it's South Korea at 31.7 per 100K...wait isn't firearms effectively Verboten in Korea? How can they commit so many suicides?

Look who's #6 PRC at 22.23...but wait aren't guns forbidden there too? Maybe it's just a statistical anomaly due to low population numbers artificially inflating the rate.

How about #7 Japan at 21.9...hmmm it's really hard to get a gun there...

Damn 3 SE Asian countries in the top 7 there's not a cultural correlation is there?

But let's look somewhere closer to our western home
The French at #24 with a 15.0 rate....but isn't it a PITA to get a gun there?(but hey it's France...if I were French I might be tempted to kill myself too!)

Where's the US with bar far the most guns per capita in the world?
We're #34 at a rate of 12.0

Wait who's right behind us at #38???
The UK with a rate of 11.8..but wait aren't they the poster children for gun control since their firearm murder rate is so low???

But lets go even closer to home...
#39 our neighbors to the north....Canada at 11.3 where it is not easy at all to get a gun.

So why even with countries that are very difficult to get guns does the suicide rate not go down? Because often people will substitute one method for another.

People like to talk about how effective firearms are at committing suicide, sorry they are weak. Know what the number one single suicide device in the world is? The Golden Gate Bridge most suicides in the world and about a 98% effectiveness rating. Because if the fall doesn't kill you, you're going to drown trying to swim in the ice cold water below.

So should we now ban access to bridges because they are such lethal killing machines?????

[Fish]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

JFC man you're still going....I was going to kick you in the balls over this but I refrained last night in hopes that you'd let it go but it seems not....

So let's go with your theory that 'Restricting access to firearms would reduce the suicide rate'. It stands to reason that those countries with fewer firearms per capita should have measurably lower suicide rates than the US right?

So lets take a look.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_suicide_rate

Who's #1....wait it's not the US....it's South Korea at 31.7 per 100K...wait isn't firearms effectively Verboten in Korea? How can they commit so many suicides?

Look who's #6 PRC at 22.23...but wait aren't guns forbidden there too? Maybe it's just a statistical anomaly due to low population numbers artificially inflating the rate.

How about #7 Japan at 21.9...hmmm it's really hard to get a gun there...

Damn 3 SE Asian countries in the top 7 there's not a cultural correlation is there?

But let's look somewhere closer to our western home
The French at #24 with a 15.0 rate....but isn't it a PITA to get a gun there?(but hey it's France...if I were French I might be tempted to kill myself too!)

Where's the US with bar far the most guns per capita in the world?
We're #34 at a rate of 12.0

Wait who's right behind us at #38???
The UK with a rate of 11.8..but wait aren't they the poster children for gun control since their firearm murder rate is so low???

But lets go even closer to home...
#39 our neighbors to the north....Canada at 11.3 where it is not easy at all to get a gun.

So why even with countries that are very difficult to get guns does the suicide rate not go down? Because often people will substitute one method for another.

People like to talk about how effective firearms are at committing suicide, sorry they are weak. Know what the number one single suicide device in the world is? The Golden Gate Bridge most suicides in the world and about a 98% effectiveness rating. Because if the fall doesn't kill you, you're going to drown trying to swim in the ice cold water below.

So should we now ban access to bridges because they are such lethal killing machines?????

..... brutal.....

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

JFC man you're still going....I was going to kick you in the balls over this but I refrained last night in hopes that you'd let it go but it seems not....

So let's go with your theory that 'Restricting access to firearms would reduce the suicide rate'. It stands to reason that those countries with fewer firearms per capita should have measurably lower suicide rates than the US right?

So lets take a look.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_suicide_rate

Who's #1....wait it's not the US....it's South Korea at 31.7 per 100K...wait isn't firearms effectively Verboten in Korea? How can they commit so many suicides?

Look who's #6 PRC at 22.23...but wait aren't guns forbidden there too? Maybe it's just a statistical anomaly due to low population numbers artificially inflating the rate.

How about #7 Japan at 21.9...hmmm it's really hard to get a gun there...

Damn 3 SE Asian countries in the top 7 there's not a cultural correlation is there?

But let's look somewhere closer to our western home
The French at #24 with a 15.0 rate....but isn't it a PITA to get a gun there?(but hey it's France...if I were French I might be tempted to kill myself too!)

Where's the US with bar far the most guns per capita in the world?
We're #34 at a rate of 12.0

Wait who's right behind us at #38???
The UK with a rate of 11.8..but wait aren't they the poster children for gun control since their firearm murder rate is so low???

But lets go even closer to home...
#39 our neighbors to the north....Canada at 11.3 where it is not easy at all to get a gun.

So why even with countries that are very difficult to get guns does the suicide rate not go down? Because often people will substitute one method for another.

People like to talk about how effective firearms are at committing suicide, sorry they are weak. Know what the number one single suicide device in the world is? The Golden Gate Bridge most suicides in the world and about a 98% effectiveness rating. Because if the fall doesn't kill you, you're going to drown trying to swim in the ice cold water below.

So should we now ban access to bridges because they are such lethal killing machines?????

Are you so stupid not to think that the reasons people commit suicide may be more severe in these other countries? Work pressure? Family issues? You must not know much about South Korea.

37 people killed themselves by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in 2011.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...ar-3390080.php

Guns account for 50% of all suicides in America. (roughly 38,000 total suicides per year)

http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseac...135c3a70de1fda

Your comparison of jumping off a bridge to using a gun to kill yourself is laughable. In fact it helps prove my point. Picking up a gun and pointing it at your head is easy, accessible, quicker not only physically but mentally.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Are you so stupid not to think that the reasons people commit suicide may be more severe in these other countries? Work pressure? Family issues? You must not know much about South Korea.

37 people killed themselves by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in 2011.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...ar-3390080.php

Guns account for 50% of all suicides in America. (roughly 38,000 total suicides per year)

http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseac...135c3a70de1fda

Your comparison of jumping off a bridge to using a gun to kill yourself is laughable. In fact it helps prove my point. Picking up a gun and pointing it at your head is easy, accessible, quicker not only physically but mentally.

Sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this. Okay, you've convinced me. You should definitely kill yourself with a gun. Remember, the end with the hole goes against the roof of your mouth.

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

Originally Posted by frazod

Sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this. Okay, you've convinced me. You should definitely kill yourself with a gun. Remember, the end with the hole goes against the roof of your mouth.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by frazod

Sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this. Okay, you've convinced me. You should definitely kill yourself with a gun. Remember, the end with the hole goes against the roof of your mouth.

83% of gun deaths in the home are suicides. Not "defense" or "protection".

Hopefully you'll follow through with the 83% sooner than later.

I'll sleep with a smile across my face.

http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseac...135c3a70de1fda

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

83% of gun deaths in the home are suicides. Not "defense" or "protection".

Hopefully you'll follow through with the 83% sooner than later.

I'll sleep with a smile across my face.

http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseac...135c3a70de1fda

I know you don't own a gun, and living in New York, the only people who have them are either cops or criminals. Find either one, and then just be yourself. After five minutes, I'm sure whoever you're talking to will happily provide you with a pistol and a single round.

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

Originally Posted by frazod

I know you don't own a gun, and living in New York, the only people who have them are either cops or criminals. Find either one, and then just be yourself. After five minutes, I'm sure whoever you're talking to will happily provide you with a pistol and a single round.

Holy shit...

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by frazod

I know you don't own a gun, and living in New York, the only people who have them are either cops or criminals. Find either one, and then just be yourself. After five minutes, I'm sure whoever you're talking to will happily provide you with a pistol and a single round.

Nah. New York is currently enjoying historic low levels of gun violence. We handle our business like men here and don't feel the need to hide behind a weapon anyone can use.

Your shithole city is looking a bit different however.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2433329.html

Why don't you take a nice stroll this evening over on the south side? Maybe someone can do us all a favor and put you out of your pathetic miserable existence.

God knows the contributions you're making aren't helping that place. The sooner you're gone the better. Perhaps Chicago can progress a bit more.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Nah. New York is currently enjoying historic low levels of gun violence. We handle our business like men here and don't feel the need to hide behind a weapon anyone can use.

Your shithole city is looking a bit different however.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2433329.html

Why don't you take a nice stroll this evening over on the south side? Maybe someone can do us all a favor and put you out of your pathetic miserable existence.

God knows the contributions you're making aren't helping that place. The sooner you're gone the better. Perhaps Chicago can progress a bit more.

You're dumber that I thought, which is really saying something. I don't live in that shithole. I own guns and I'm not a criminal, remember? Idiot. In fact, I live about as far away from Chicago as I can and still have a reasonable commute to the Loop. Nice suburb - one of the best in the area. Conservative bastion. Guns are legal. Low crime. Streets are safe.

If it wasn't in Illinois, it would be perfect. Although that's still better than the fascist hellhole you live in. I guess if you want to live in a police state where you'll get rousted for blinking wrong and feel Riyadh's a bit too warm in the summer, New York can't be beat.

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Are you so stupid not to think that the reasons people commit suicide may be more severe in these other countries? Work pressure? Family issues? You must not know much about South Korea.

37 people killed themselves by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in 2011.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...ar-3390080.php

Guns account for 50% of all suicides in America. (roughly 38,000 total suicides per year)

http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseac...135c3a70de1fda

Your comparison of jumping off a bridge to using a gun to kill yourself is laughable. In fact it helps prove my point. Picking up a gun and pointing it at your head is easy, accessible, quicker not only physically but mentally.

You want to do it.. you're going to do it. Idiot.

[CrazyPhuD]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Are you so stupid not to think that the reasons people commit suicide may be more severe in these other countries? Work pressure? Family issues? You must not know much about South Korea.

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Damn 3 SE Asian countries in the top 7 there's not a cultural correlation is there?

Reading comprehension is really not your forte is it? And yes I am far more familiar of the social issues associated with many of the eastern cultures, Korean, Japanese, Chinese etc...hence why I highlighted them specifically. And realistically work has little to nothing to do with it, it's a symptom not a root cause. The issues all revolve more around family expectations and lack of communications up and down the generations. Hence why I then referenced the 'western' rates because they are more directly correlated.

Originally Posted by Wickedson

37 people killed themselves by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in 2011.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...ar-3390080.php

Guns account for 50% of all suicides in America. (roughly 38,000 total suicides per year)

http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseac...135c3a70de1fda

Your comparison of jumping off a bridge to using a gun to kill yourself is laughable. In fact it helps prove my point. Picking up a gun and pointing it at your head is easy, accessible, quicker not only physically but mentally.

See again you miss the point, the argument that people make was that guns are at fault for suicides because they are so much more lethal. That's why we should ban them, which I why I bring up the Golden Gate, because it's lethality is generally more than guns.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-metho...lethal-methods

Lists a table of lethality from a study by pathologists and more about suicide effectiveness. While guns are high there's another method that is also almost as effective as firearms at killing yourself. That's hanging at 89.5% effectiveness for suicide.

Which if you bothered to look you would see that those countries that have heavy gun control don't have firearms as the No 1 method of suicide but hanging. Taking away the guns didn't stop them from committing suicide it just varied HOW they did it and many more chose to hang themselves.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-stati...ethods-suicide

Simply put fine you can ban all guns but there will likely be no effective drop in suicide because people will just find another almost as lethal way to commit suicide. Part of the reason that firearms are overrepresented and men as suicide victims are overrepresented too is because men tend to pick the most lethal and quickest suicide method available. Which would you pick? A gunshot and 1 minute before you die? Or hanging around for 7 minutes waiting to die?

After all you say a gun is more available to commit suicide but really which is easier to get? Going to a gun store to buy a gun and ammo to commit suicide? Or going to almost any store around to buy a nike branded rope to hang yourself with?



Considering how lethal it is and how prevalent it is in countries that already have strict gun control, should we also institute strict rope control to try to reduce this method too?

But I don't really expect you to pay much attention to this, one cannot enlighten the unconscious. You have your mind made up and are unwilling to entertain that something else might be the root cause. Spending more time and money on mental health would be far more effective at reducing suicides but our politicians don't seem to care about results just pursuing grudges.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Reading comprehension is really not your forte is it? And yes I am far more familiar of the social issues associated with many of the eastern cultures, Korean, Japanese, Chinese etc...hence why I highlighted them specifically. And realistically work has little to nothing to do with it, it's a symptom not a root cause. The issues all revolve more around family expectations and lack of communications up and down the generations. Hence why I then referenced the 'western' rates because they are more directly correlated.



See again you miss the point, the argument that people make was that guns are at fault for suicides because they are so much more lethal. That's why we should ban them, which I why I bring up the Golden Gate, because it's lethality is generally more than guns.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-metho...lethal-methods

Lists a table of lethality from a study by pathologists and more about suicide effectiveness. While guns are high there's another method that is also almost as effective as firearms at killing yourself. That's hanging at 89.5% effectiveness for suicide.

Which if you bothered to look you would see that those countries that have heavy gun control don't have firearms as the No 1 method of suicide but hanging. Taking away the guns didn't stop them from committing suicide it just varied HOW they did it and many more chose to hang themselves.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-stati...ethods-suicide

Simply put fine you can ban all guns but there will likely be no effective drop in suicide because people will just find another almost as lethal way to commit suicide. Part of the reason that firearms are overrepresented and men as suicide victims are overrepresented too is because men tend to pick the most lethal and quickest suicide method available. Which would you pick? A gunshot and 1 minute before you die? Or hanging around for 7 minutes waiting to die?

After all you say a gun is more available to commit suicide but really which is easier to get? Going to a gun store to buy a gun and ammo to commit suicide? Or going to almost any store around to buy a nike branded rope to hang yourself with?



Considering how lethal it is and how prevalent it is in countries that already have strict gun control, should we also institute strict rope control to try to reduce this method too?

But I don't really expect you to pay much attention to this, one cannot enlighten the unconscious. You have your mind made up and are unwilling to entertain that something else might be the root cause. Spending more time and money on mental health would be far more effective at reducing suicides but our politicians don't seem to care about results just pursuing grudges.

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