Royals Dayton Moore Appreciation Thread - Page 4

58-4ever · 10-12-2014, 09:20 AM

We tend to run GMs, Coaches, and Mangers out pretty quickly. Let's take a look at what Dayton has done here. 2012 was especially good. What is your favorite Dayton move?

Salvador Perez:

On February 27, 2012, Pérez signed a five-year, $7 million extension that includes three club options. He is under team control through 2019. He could earn up to $26.75 million if he reaches all of his incentives and all of his options are picked up. The extension covers his pre-arbitration seasons, two of his three arbitration eligible years, and, if all of his options are picked up, his final arbitration year and his first two years of free agency.^[2] Pérez will earn $.75 million in 2012, $1 million in 2013, $1.5 million in 2014, $1.75 million in 2015 and $2 million in 2016. His options are $3.75 million in 2017, $5 million in 2018 and $6 million in 2019.

Big Game:

On December 9, 2012, Shields was traded to the Kansas City Royals (along with Wade Davis) in exchange for Wil Myers, Jake Odorizzi, Mike Montgomery and Patrick Leonard.^[16] In his first year as a Royal, Shields posted a 13-9 record with a 3.15 ERA, also setting a personal best in games started. On October 31, 2013 the Kansas City Royals exercised a $13.5 million option on Shields for the 2014 season.

Hosmer:

Drafted in 2008. In the 2014 postseason, Hosmer helped lead the Royals to a record-setting run, winning three consecutive extra-inning games. After getting on base five times in the wildcard game against the Oakland A's, Hosmer also slammed a game-winning, two-run homer in Game 2 of the ALDS against the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. In doing so, the first baseman became the first player in MLB history to hit both a triple and a home run during extra innings in one year's postseason.

Need help nowish?:

innegan was considered a top prospect for the 2014 Major League Baseball Draft.^[7] The Kansas City Royals selected Finnegan in the first round, 17th overall, of the draft.^[8] He signed on June 28.^[9] Finnegan was called up to the majors for the first time on September 1, 2014 becoming the first player from the 2014 Draft to be promoted to the majors

ChiefsCountry · 10-12-2014, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

The thing I'm most amazed by is that he just may have, either accidentally or with knowledge, identified a market inefficiency in defense and speed. People are so obsessed with home runs and walks post-moneyball, they may have neglected the rest.

Really just built a team that fits Kauffman Stadium. Sort of like the teams in the 70s and 80s were. Pitching and defense will always win you a bunch of games.

Coach · 10-12-2014, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

The thing I'm most amazed by is that he just may have, either accidentally or with knowledge, identified a market inefficiency in defense and speed. People are so obsessed with home runs and walks post-moneyball, they may have neglected the rest.

Well, the Royals in the late 70's and early 80's specialized in athletic/speedy players who can roam around the outfield at Kauffman Stadium. On TV, it doesn't look that big, but once you get to the park, you'll go "Oh holy shit, that is a big yard. That's a lot of ground to cover."

Plus, I also noticed that HR's has dropped significantly, league-wise, at least I thought it seems like. So instead of investing on trying to get hitters who can hit HR's, the Royals seems to be getting hitters who can hit on contact, which apparently the Royals are 4th overall in that category, and some cheap pitching with a lethal bullpen.

Prison Bitch · 10-12-2014, 11:50 PM

The "speedy OF" bit is a bit hollow when our road record was superior to our home record. That doesn't align with the results of our 70s\80s teams

Coach · 10-13-2014, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The "speedy OF" bit is a bit hollow when our road record was superior to our home record. That doesn't align with the results of our 70s\80s teams

No, but you have to take the speedy OF into consideration with the fact that the Royals defense was tops in MLB on defensive runs saved last year as well as this year. So either the game is in Kauffman or any other opponent's stadium, defense has saved the Royals' asses too many times to count.

Lorenzo Cain's robbing the homerun in the ALDS. Nori's lucky-stabbing the ball while on the wall. The back to back catches by Cain in game 3. Opponents are no longer challenging Alex Gordon's arm strength. Gordon's not fast, but he's athletic as hell, and has a cannon of a arm.

Even the stats love Dyson's defense, and he has improved tremendously in CF since the beginning of the season. Dyson throwing out that LAA player (can't recall who, on the top of my head) at 3rd base. Wasn't a perfect throw by any means, but good enough to get the guy out.

Valiant · 10-13-2014, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Perez's contract really is a steal. Even for someone who will swing at anything.

Hosmer's been a hero of the postseason, but his overall performance is definitely in the "good but not great" category.

It would be nice to have a legit offensive all-star on this team. Gordon has been on the verge for years, but he always seems to have a month or so where he just disappears.

This is true. But this type of success in the playoffs I hope has a carry over effect next year. Hell, look at Moose also.

Belief in yourself is a huge stage, actually backing it is even better. Doing that on the most important stage is what can separate you from the average player.

Good on all of them.

Valiant · 10-13-2014, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The "speedy OF" bit is a bit hollow when our road record was superior to our home record. That doesn't align with the results of our 70s\80s teams

I would say our pitchers having less ERs during away games and our hitters being the number 2 team with batting average on away games compared to 23rd at home has more to do with it.

Archie F. Swin · 10-25-2014, 09:49 AM

Can we take a moment to reflect on what this man has done to build a championship contender on pitching acquisitions alone? I mean, when GMDM traded Jonathan Sanchez for Jeremy Guthrie did you ever think in a million years JGuts would start a world series game? Weren't you just a little worried when we bid Santana farewell and started the season with Jason Vargas? Dayton's farm produced two quality starters in Duffy and Ventura. The Shields trade worked and he drafted a phenom in BFinny. Dayton is either lucky or good and I'm leaning toward the latter.

58-4ever · 10-25-2014, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

Can we take a moment to reflect on what this man has done to build a championship contender on pitching acquisitions alone?.

I thought that's what this thread was about.

I love Dayton. He seems nice

58-4ever · 10-25-2014, 09:57 AM

In all seriousness, what a resurrection by JGuts .. Love that dude too

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-25-2014, 09:58 AM

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but there were only seven pitchers in baseball with a worse xFIP than Jeremy Guthrie this year. He's just plainly not a good pitcher. You can give him some credit for the guy being able to chew innings, but that's really all he does.

Shit happens in the playoffs though (Jeff Suppan, Ryan Vogelsong).

TambaBerry · 10-25-2014, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but there were only seven pitchers in baseball with a worse xFIP than Jeremy Guthrie this year. He's just plainly not a good pitcher. You can give him some credit for the guy being able to chew innings, but that's really all he does.

Shit happens in the playoffs though (Jeff Suppan, Ryan Vogelsong).

I don't care about that statistic, baseball is more than that. Guthrie has had a lot of great starts and we wouldn't be here without him.

Pitt Gorilla · 10-25-2014, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but there were only seven pitchers in baseball with a worse xFIP than Jeremy Guthrie this year. He's just plainly not a good pitcher. You can give him some credit for the guy being able to chew innings, but that's really all he does.

Shit happens in the playoffs though (Jeff Suppan, Ryan Vogelsong).

so, was he just lucky last night?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-25-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dingleberry

I don't care about that statistic, baseball is more than that. Guthrie has had a lot of great starts and we wouldn't be here without him.

He hasn't and the numbers back that up. If he had a bunch of great starts you wouldn't be bringing in the bullpen after 5 1/3 to bail him out of a jam.

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

so, was he just lucky last night?

He was decent. Jeff Suppan was once NLCS MVP. Sometimes the other guys just need to miss pitches.

Hootie · 10-25-2014, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He hasn't and the numbers back that up. If he had a bunch of great starts you wouldn't be bringing in the bullpen after 5 1/3 to bail him out of a jam.

uhm, yes we would have

it's the WS big guy

we're going to pitch H D H until their arms fall off

we're going to pull any starter at the first sign of trouble in the 6th inning

ChiefsCountry · 10-25-2014, 11:58 AM

Guthrie is the team's 5th starter for crying out loud.

10-12-2014, 09:20 AM
58-4ever The Collective Unconscious Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The OP Casino cash: $9520422	Dayton Moore Appreciation Thread We tend to run GMs, Coaches, and Mangers out pretty quickly. Let's take a look at what Dayton has done here. 2012 was especially good. What is your favorite Dayton move? Salvador Perez: On February 27, 2012, Pérez signed a five-year, $7 million extension that includes three club options. He is under team control through 2019. He could earn up to $26.75 million if he reaches all of his incentives and all of his options are picked up. The extension covers his pre-arbitration seasons, two of his three arbitration eligible years, and, if all of his options are picked up, his final arbitration year and his first two years of free agency.^[2] Pérez will earn $.75 million in 2012, $1 million in 2013, $1.5 million in 2014, $1.75 million in 2015 and $2 million in 2016. His options are $3.75 million in 2017, $5 million in 2018 and $6 million in 2019. Big Game: On December 9, 2012, Shields was traded to the Kansas City Royals (along with Wade Davis) in exchange for Wil Myers, Jake Odorizzi, Mike Montgomery and Patrick Leonard.^[16] In his first year as a Royal, Shields posted a 13-9 record with a 3.15 ERA, also setting a personal best in games started. On October 31, 2013 the Kansas City Royals exercised a $13.5 million option on Shields for the 2014 season. Hosmer: Drafted in 2008. In the 2014 postseason, Hosmer helped lead the Royals to a record-setting run, winning three consecutive extra-inning games. After getting on base five times in the wildcard game against the Oakland A's, Hosmer also slammed a game-winning, two-run homer in Game 2 of the ALDS against the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. In doing so, the first baseman became the first player in MLB history to hit both a triple and a home run during extra innings in one year's postseason. Need help nowish?: innegan was considered a top prospect for the 2014 Major League Baseball Draft.^[7] The Kansas City Royals selected Finnegan in the first round, 17th overall, of the draft.^[8] He signed on June 28.^[9] Finnegan was called up to the majors for the first time on September 1, 2014 becoming the first player from the 2014 Draft to be promoted to the majors
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Archie F. Swin This is the way Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Wichita Falls, Texas Casino cash: $9975673	Can we take a moment to reflect on what this man has done to build a championship contender on pitching acquisitions alone? I mean, when GMDM traded Jonathan Sanchez for Jeremy Guthrie did you ever think in a million years JGuts would start a world series game? Weren't you just a little worried when we bid Santana farewell and started the season with Jason Vargas? Dayton's farm produced two quality starters in Duffy and Ventura. The Shields trade worked and he drafted a phenom in BFinny. Dayton is either lucky or good and I'm leaning toward the latter. __________________ "No Two People Will Do It The Same, You got It Down...When You Appear to Be In Pain!" Last edited by Archie F. Swin; 10-25-2014 at 09:55 AM..
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10-25-2014, 09:58 AM	#55
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but there were only seven pitchers in baseball with a worse xFIP than Jeremy Guthrie this year. He's just plainly not a good pitcher. You can give him some credit for the guy being able to chew innings, but that's really all he does. Shit happens in the playoffs though (Jeff Suppan, Ryan Vogelsong). __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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