Chiefs Houston question

**FRCDFED** · 03-03-2015, 09:40 AM

I know....not another thread about Houston right? However, I didn't want this to get buried in the mega-thread. Besides, there has been so much blame being tossed in the direction of the organization based on assumptions that I thought it prudent to try to spell out what we know and don't know:

At this point all we know is that:

1. The Chiefs and Houston's agent have not agreed on a deal.
2. Houston has been given the non-exclusive franchise tag allowing him to negotiate with other teams.
3. KC has the right to match any offer or receive two first round picks as compensation.
4. Houston's agent is busy running his mouth and threatening to hold out to week 10.

What we don't know:

1. How aggressive the KC front office has been trying to get a deal done.
2. What KC has offered.
3. What Houston's demands are.

Obviously, it takes two to make a deal happen. Many on here are automatically blaming the front office for failing to get a deal done with one of the most prolific defensive players KC has had since DT. Almost to a point to say pay the man whatever he wants.

I for one, do not agree with that philosophy. Those same people are the ones that thought Bowe should've been paid and are now complaining that he should take a pay cut or be released.

I think there are going to be some good indicators in the near future of just how serious the front office was negotiating with Houston and his agent.

What if Houston receives NO offers on the open market? What if no other team is willing to pay Houston the kind of coin he seeks and surrender two first round picks. This is a very plausible scenario. Then he is forced to sign his tender.

IMO if NO other team is willing to compensate Houston the way he seeks then that should be a tell-tale sign that his demands are too high. Tagging Houston and letting the market dictate his salary was a very smart move.

So should his home-town team AND the rest of the NFL decides he is not worth his asking price....and should Houston be forced to sign and play under his one-year tender and he holds out for 10 months.......then the writing is on the wall who is being unreasonable.

Let time sort this out...........

Why do we continue to blame the organization? Just because we haven't had playoff success in so long? Maybe this group is trying to finally get it right.....

**loochy** · 03-03-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Why do we continue to blame the organization? Just because we haven't had playoff success in so long? Maybe this group is trying to finally get it right.....

Yes.

Until they prove something, we will always doubt.

tredadda · 03-03-2015, 09:47 AM

Just because a team does not make an offer does not mean his demand is too high. Remember it is not just about the contract in $'s but the two first round picks as well. Teams are very leery of forking those over. They might be more than willing to pay Houston what he wants, just not willing to give up two firsts as well.

**FRCDFED** · 03-03-2015, 09:47 AM

Houston's agent has allegedly already threatened to even contest what position Houston plays to increase his FA tender money. IMO......all signs point to Houston and his agent being vindictive and malicious at this point.

oldandslow · 03-03-2015, 09:48 AM

Your argument is correct only if one thinks Houston is a true FA - which he is not.

Two number one draft picks skew the "let the market decide" proponents.

Houston should do what is best for Houston. I know I would if I were in his shoes.

**FRCDFED** · 03-03-2015, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Just because a team does not make an offer does not mean his demand is too high. Remember it is not just about the contract in $'s but the two first round picks as well. Teams are very leery of forking those over. They might be more than willing to pay Houston what he wants, just not willing to give up two firsts as well.

Correct. But if the offer was reasonable can't we assume that he would already be under contract?

Iconic · 03-03-2015, 09:49 AM

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**wazu** · 03-03-2015, 09:49 AM

Heard a pretty good argument from an agent (Condon I think) that it is very unlikely that Houston will find any suitors. Problem is the Chiefs would be given a substantial amount of time to decide if they want to match. During that time all that money is essentially "frozen" and can't be used to sign other free agents. Everybody focuses on the draft picks as the only obstacle, but missing out on free agency is huge.

oldandslow · 03-03-2015, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Correct. But if the offer was reasonable can't we assume that he would already be under contract?

Why can we or should we assume that? What, if anything, in KC's front office history illustrates their competence?

KCUnited · 03-03-2015, 09:50 AM

In the face of all this success, I don't get why people continue to expect the worst.

aturnis · 03-03-2015, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Correct. But if the offer was reasonable can't we assume that he would already be under contract?

Only if Houston is also reasonable.

**FRCDFED** · 03-03-2015, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow

Your argument is correct only if one thinks Houston is a true FA - which he is not.

Two number one draft picks skew the "let the market decide" proponents.

Houston should do what is best for Houston. I know I would if I were in his shoes.

I agree. The draft picks skew the scenario but it is what it is. Any team that makes an offer will place some value on those picks. It is unlikely that a team will offer a crazy number AND be willing to surrender the picks.

Therefore, IMO it is likely that in the smallest likelihood that he does get an offer it will be easy to match by KC.

tredadda · 03-03-2015, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Correct. But if the offer was reasonable can't we assume that he would already be under contract?

If KC's offer was reasonable? Not necessarily as what we all might think is reasonable might not be reasonable to him. It's like a government contract in a way. They offer a contract and companies bid on it, now while most companies offer a reasonable quote on it, the one who offers the best in the eyes of the government wins the contract.

In58men · 03-03-2015, 09:54 AM

Because we have Alex Smith

**FRCDFED** · 03-03-2015, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow

Why can we or should we assume that? What, if anything, in KC's front office history illustrates their competence?

By saying reasonable, we have to assume that it is something both sides can live with. Therefore, it should be safe to assume he would be under contract.

Someone isn't being reasonable at this point. No way can we assume it is the Team nor can we assume it is Houston. Although the childish antics of threatening to sit out (and lose money) or try to file a grievance to say he was playing DE (which is a joke) seems to point the arrow at Houston's camp at the moment.

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03-03-2015, 09:47 AM	#3
tredadda Three-Pat Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Casino cash: $1875053	Just because a team does not make an offer does not mean his demand is too high. Remember it is not just about the contract in $'s but the two first round picks as well. Teams are very leery of forking those over. They might be more than willing to pay Houston what he wants, just not willing to give up two firsts as well.
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FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Houston's agent has allegedly already threatened to even contest what position Houston plays to increase his FA tender money. IMO......all signs point to Houston and his agent being vindictive and malicious at this point.
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