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Old 02-06-2014, 10:32 PM  
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Dorsey is a FAKE
Executive of the year? This is the same guy who had his choice of ANY player in college football and he drafted Eric Fisher. Your argument could be he traded for Alex Smith, but wasn't that Andy Reid's idea? Sean Smith, Marcus Cooper? Those pickups looked great for the first half of the year when we were playing quarterbacks like Jeff Tuel. Dunta Robinson looked like he had aids this year, another "big time FA signing." Travis Kelce, Nico Johnson, Sanders Commings, Eric Kush? I thought Dorsey was a gm who could find value at the top of the draft.

I have a bad feeling this year and next will resemble the 2010 and 2011 seasons. We do well and then the bottom drops out.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:22 PM   #211
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You guys are just flat out in left field. Fisher showed flashes late in the season. He looked terrible the first half of the season, but from about the Buffalo game forward he really did play better. That doesn't mean he's going to be an all-pro or that he even justifies a number 1 pick. But the Tyson Jackson comparison is just not right.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:23 PM   #212
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There were no ra ra speeches about Jackson. I don't know why you keep bringing that example up, because it's a lousy one. Everyone knew the Chiefs reached big time for Jackson. And everybody knew his limitations, but thought he could become a good 2-gap run defender. They were right, by the way.

Jackson is a million times better than he was his rookie season. More than anything, he ended up being a terrific player for a defense that's no longer relevant. If he was drafted 10 years ago when the 2-gap 3-4 was still effective, he would have been an excellent pick.


I never brought up Tyson Jackson before that post.

Can you give me any tackle in nfl history that was selected 1.1 and still needs to put on weight? Absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:26 PM   #213
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you're right. It's us having to lower our standards for OUR NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK. Pat him on the back when he "shows flashes" like he is a late first round pick or a mid round pick. We treat our first overall pick like a 3rd round pick.

Fisher sandwiched between Andrew Luck and whatever QB will be taken first this year. Chiefs way.
Look, I wanted to draft Geno Smith. In hindsight, I wish it was Sheldon Richardson.

But give me a break. A lot of the Fisher bashers are apologizing for Geno's rough rookie season. A lot of the Fisher bashers haven't made a mouse peep about guys they wanted who were also really blah, like Tavon Austin or Dion Jordan. NONE of the guys most people on Chiefs Planet wanted were even CLOSE to having the kind of rookie year you'd expect from a 1.1.

Fisher wasn't nearly as bad as people say he was. And the alternatives... they weren't much better if at all.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:26 PM   #214
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:29 PM   #216
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What's funny is the prime example of a big athletic mid-major lineman taking a year or two to develop is right on our own team in Poe. You might as well say Fisher is just like Poe. Same difference.
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I never brought up Tyson Jackson before that post.

Can you give me any tackle in nfl history that was selected 1.1 and still needs to put on weight? Absolutely ridiculous.
Why in the world does that matter? It's so silly. Why is it so crucial that he be ready right now? Would you rather that they laid up and took a more NFL-ready tackle like Joeckl?

Few people on CP were crazy about the Fisher pick. But there was a pretty wide consensus that if they picked a Tackle, it should have been Fisher. And the reason was because even though he was less NFL ready, he had a higher ceiling. Now all of a sudden, it's about being NFL ready immediately? Talk about an all-time flip flop.
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What's funny is the prime example of a big athletic mid-major lineman taking a year or two to develop is right on our own team in Poe. You might as well say Fisher is just like Poe. Same difference.
This will be conveniently ignored.
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What's funny is the prime example of a big athletic mid-major lineman taking a year or two to develop is right on our own team in Poe. You might as well say Fisher is just like Poe. Same difference.


How? Fisher needs to put on weight. Poe was looked at as an athletic freak coming out of college.
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What's funny is the prime example of a big athletic mid-major lineman taking a year or two to develop is right on our own team in Poe. You might as well say Fisher is just like Poe. Same difference.
Almost identical. Poe took a lot of shit on CP because he wasn't NFL ready. A LOT of shit.

The same arguments popping up too. People calling for Powe to start. Lots of people laughing when they said Poe showed "flashes."

It also doesn't help that with the new CBA, these kids are getting started on their training WAY too late.
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So someone tell me why we should expect Fisher, who was an abomination this year to be the future franchise left tackle?
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Almost identical. Poe took a lot of shit on CP because he wasn't NFL ready. A LOT of shit.

The same arguments popping up too. People calling for Powe to start. Lots of people laughing when they said Poe showed "flashes."

It also doesn't help that with the new CBA, these kids are getting started on their training WAY too late.


Not even close. Poe was physically ready out of college, Fisher obviously isn't
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What's funny is the prime example of a big athletic mid-major lineman taking a year or two to develop is right on our own team in Poe. You might as well say Fisher is just like Poe. Same difference.
Wait, are we talking about Fisher needing a couple of years to develop at right tackle or left?
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How? Fisher needs to put on weight. Poe was looked at as an athletic freak coming out of college.
Fisher is not the complete freak Poe is... but he's a big guy who is tremendously athletic in space. You can clearly see why they picked him over Joeckel. I actually think he falls well in between Poe and Jackson... but the comparison to Jackson isn't valid. Jackson is a run stuffing DE.
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