Late night bullshit: Gonna be real honest here.

[Direckshun]

I just have a bad feeling about this draft about a month and a half away.

The reasons:

1. The Chiefs reportedly want to go guard in the 1st.

2. Dorsey's first draft wasn't that great.

3. I don't think the Chiefs can trade down for any bounty of picks.

4. Whatever trade down we can get will be in the midroumds or by giving away future picks.

5. We will be sporting an offensive line that we built with two 1sts, two 2nds, and a 3rd, but still can't protect or block adequately.

6. We have too many holes, especially when you consider this team will be moving on from Hali and Flowers in a year.

Ultimately, I don't know. My enthusiasm is deflating.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by tatorhog

All I'm saying is, and o.city reinforced it, despite his attempt to discredit me.

If G is a need, and there is a damn good guard available, why not take him? Its not reaching. I agree, a lot of damn good Gs come out in the later rounds. The only way I would see it as a shit move is if we left comparable talent on the board at a bigger positional need.

I would prefer to see FS, and follow the pattern shown by Seattle in having 2 stud safeties, but by time we pick, there may not be a guy better than Comings or Abdullah.

Because you don't draft for need. If need and ability and player match up, sure. But you don't go into year draft thinks "we have a hole at guard, gotta take 1 in the first round".

Guard is also of low positional value compared to say, a pass rusher or wide wr.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by patteeu

The problem is that you can't find them in this draft. Or maybe I should say there's no reason to have any confidence in your ability to do so.

You're certainly right, we don't have the ability to tell the future. We can only try to predict it based on the past. The past suggests that this team, with the holes they have, would be better served going with something other than a guard in the 1st round.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Dick Bull

I'm not sure it exposes his argument as anything. All these examples are given the gift of hindsight.

Let me reassure you that it did. But you bring up a crucial point of more interest. The gift of hindsight. I can understand why people think there's a better chance of getting a good guard in the 3rd than there is of getting another Tom Brady in the 6th when they have to project what the prospect's career will be like. But when you grant yourself hindsight as a given (as I did when I said what I said about Will Shields), the traditional ideas about when you should draft a player go out the window.

[Iconic]

Maybe this is a blessing in disguise and 2 years from now we will have the best O-Line in the history of O-Lines... I'm not a glass-half-full type of guy though.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Amazing that this fanbase STILL doesn't understand the concept of positional value.

[tatorhog]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

As you go down through the rounds, your ability to get a quality player decreases. Some positions, like QB, decrease SHARPLY as you move out of the 1st round.

Other positions are more gradual.

And position like offensive guard, decline VERY slowly.

It's about trying to get the most value out of your 1st round pick.

Teams take guards in the 1st round when they're set at almost every other position and it remains as their only position of need. Even then, a lot of teams get better players in the later rounds.

I get your point, but I don't agree totally. Every position can be argued about value, but frankly at the end of the day, if the kid can play and make a significant contribution, he's valuable.

[O.city]

Significant contribution at guard, isn't as valuable as significant contribution at other more important positions.

That's why you don't take a guard in the first round

['Hamas' Jenkins]

A baseball player who plays average defense and hits 25 HRs and has a slash line of .270/.320/.475 is not universally excellent. If he plays 1st, he's pretty fungible. If he plays short, he's damn near irreplaceable. That's the difference between a guard and a wide receiver or pass rusher.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're certainly right, we don't have the ability to tell the future. We can only try to predict it based on the past. The past suggests that this team, with the holes they have, would be better served going with something other than a guard in the 1st round.

I don't have a problem with taking a guard in this years draft if he turns out to be a stud. That's essentially what I said when you started arguing with me. If they take a guard and he ends up not being a stud, it will be a failure. If they take one and he ends up being another Will Shields, it will be a success. That's my position. I'm not saying taking a guard is the best probability of success or that guard is at the top of my wish list.

[tatorhog]

Originally Posted by O.city

Because you don't draft for need. If need and ability and player match up, sure. But you don't go into year draft thinks "we have a hole at guard, gotta take 1 in the first round".

Guard is also of low positional value compared to say, a pass rusher or wide wr.

Jesus tits man. Take the ****ing blinders off. I'm not saying "take a guard and only a guard because we need a guard". I'm saying if we need a guard and a damn fine prospect is there, I see no reason in not taking him. I'm not saying to reach for it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If you take a guard with a pick that high he better be Will Shields. If you take a WR, he can be Dwayne Bowe and the pick will pay off. Will Shields is light years better than Dwayne Bowe, but his impact on the game is not.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Dick Bull

While Allen was good, let's not forget Emmit, Troy, Michael, Jay Novacek and even Moose. If you took LA out of the equation they still win. If you take any of the top 4 out then probably not.

While Emmitt is a quality player, the line made him more than he made the line. Dude had superfreeway lanes to run though.

I'd take Michael and Moose over Larry, but not much else. Especially if I had the rest of their line to work with him.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by tatorhog

Jesus tits man. Take the ****ing blinders off. I'm not saying "take a guard and only a guard because we need a guard". I'm saying if we need a guard and a damn fine prospect is there, I see no reason in not taking him. I'm not saying to reach for it.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

I suspect this as well. Could also see them taking Clinton-Dix or Pryor at FS if they're still available at the 23rd pick. Most likely they'll be gone.

****in wood.

Especially for Pryor. Dude is gonna beast.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by tatorhog

Jesus tits man. Take the ****ing blinders off. I'm not saying "take a guard and only a guard because we need a guard". I'm saying if we need a guard and a damn fine prospect is there, I see no reason in not taking him. I'm not saying to reach for it.

The power of Christ compels you!!