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Old 01-22-2013, 03:58 PM   #1
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The interesting thing is you want to shit on Mike Brown, who wasn't very good for sure, but he sure missed fewer tackles than Pollard, and gave up fewer TDs.

Bias. Bias. Bias. Ignoring the facts.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:58 PM   #2
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I saw pollard miss a tackle on leftwich this year
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Who thinks the hit on Ridley was a good tackle?
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:08 PM   #4
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Who thinks the hit on Ridley was a good tackle?
It wasn't - but that's exactly the thing with Pollard.

Pollard just changes things on the field and they are things that aren't reflected in PFF rankings (and involve an aggression that can get him into trouble at times as well).

He's not really any different a player than he was here, which is why Clay's argument, that he got better after we cut him, is largely crap. He's a very very similar player.

He's a very good component part. He's a guy that can go out there in a playoff game and have guys short-arming passes over the middle. He's a guy that can get people nervous about trying to lay out for a pass or even accelerate up the field.

But hey, he missed tackles here and there so he's worthless...or something.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:11 PM   #5
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He's a very very similar player.


Who doesn't miss tackles or give up touchdowns now.

So other than the fact that he doesn't ****ing suck at league-worst levels, he's similar!

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Old 01-22-2013, 04:19 PM   #6
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Who doesn't miss tackles or give up touchdowns now.

So other than the fact that he doesn't ****ing suck at league-worst levels, he's similar!

The ****.
He's being put in positions to succeed in Baltimore and he's actually been taught the game.

He's still a guy that will lose his responsibilities in coverage and go for a knockout blow instead of the 'sound' tackle quite often. He's the same type of player he's always been.

He's just better at it. Age, experience and coaching will do that for you.

I said this 3 years ago - your position is an unassailable one. If he had stayed awful, you could say you were right because he was awful. Had he become good, you could say he just needed 'a wakeup call'. In essence, you've just taken the position that no matter what happens, you were right.

Bullshit - Bernard Pollard could have been and should have been all those things in Kansas City but Pioli is a goddamn moron and never gave him that chance.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:38 PM   #7
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He's being put in positions to succeed in Baltimore and he's actually been taught the game.

He's still a guy that will lose his responsibilities in coverage and go for a knockout blow instead of the 'sound' tackle quite often. He's the same type of player he's always been.

He's just better at it. Age, experience and coaching will do that for you.

I said this 3 years ago - your position is an unassailable one. If he had stayed awful, you could say you were right because he was awful. Had he become good, you could say he just needed 'a wakeup call'. In essence, you've just taken the position that no matter what happens, you were right.

Bullshit - Bernard Pollard could have been and should have been all those things in Kansas City but ***** is a goddamn moron and never gave him that chance.
The guy had been here for 3 years, had a history of being a lousy tackler and was only getting worse.

I wouldn't have given him another chance, either.

He's not the same play he was at all. I mean, he went from a guy who was a complete liability to a guy who didn't allow a single TD this year.

That's not even close.

Pioli ****ed up a lot of things but lots of GMs would have cut Bernard Pollard. He was basically the black Sabby Piscitelli.
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Keep parroting a stat that Clay fed you without knowing what it actually is or any context for it.

PFF's rankings are always subject to review. But again, clearly Ozzie Newsome is a moron for signing a guy that was worse than 20 safeties that came off the bench for teams that year, right?

You're so unwilling to critically examine anything that you're taking that statistic at face value. Really. There were honestly 20 safeties that didn't start that were 'better' than Bernard Pollard that season? Sure - whatever you say Billay.
I never claimed Newsome was a moron. Ive seen other guys excel in the same role as Pollard and go on to suck with other teams. Dwan Laundry, Leonard, Zwibitkowski, and the dude with the Japanese name all looked good in that role and were average at best with other teams.
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I never claimed Newsome was a moron. Ive seen other guys excel in the same role as Pollard and go on to suck with other teams. Dwan Laundry, Leonard, Zwibitkowski, and the dude with the Japanese name all looked good in that role and were average at best with other teams.
And what would have ever kept Pollard from excelling in that role here but the idiot machinations of a lousy GM and his hand-picked stooges that coached this team?

Look at Berry - that's exactly the kind of smart, athletic, physical safety that could have played alongside Pollard, covered ground and left Pollard in a perfect position to go out there and reek havoc over the middle.

It would've been an absolutely ideal duo in our defensive backfield. Instead we've spent 2 seasons with the glass jaw of Kendrick Lewis and his random replacements out there.

Pollard's a guy that plays an important role on most good defenses. And he'd have easily been able to play that role here.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:45 PM   #10
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Pollard's a guy that plays an important role on most good defenses. .
The Ravens have only gotten worse on defense since he arrived, while the Chiefs have only gotten better.

In fact, you wanna hear something awesome?

Before last week, Pollard had played two completely garbage playoff games.

But he makes a couple of nice hits and all his ballwashers from 4 years ago come out of the woodwork to cry.

Par for the course.
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I don't think he would have.

It took a change of scenery for the guy to wake up the **** up and improve. (Plus better coaching/team environment)

That's what happened.

He was NEVER this good in KC, EVER.
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I don't think he would have.

It took a change of scenery for the guy to wake up the **** up and improve. (Plus better coaching/team environment)

That's what happened.

He was NEVER this good in KC, EVER.
He was 23.

He was never a veteran with 6 years of starting experience, 4 years of good coaching and an organization that believed in him in KC.

Funny thing - players tend to get better when you add all those things together.

There's no reason he couldn't have been all those things in Kansas City. This again goes back to the fact that ***** was a shitty General Manager that installed a shitty coaching staff and did a shitty job of identifying talent that was worth coaching up (Pollard) and talent that wasn't (Jackson).
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He was 23.

He was never a veteran with 6 years of starting experience, 4 years of good coaching and an organization that believed in him in KC.


He had started 31 games in his career at that point.

And he was getting worse, not better.

Safety isn't WR or QB. It's one of the most "Ready-to-play" positions in football for young starters.

Come on, man.
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