Tom Brady; least clutch QB in NFL history?

[Hootie]

(Slow day at work for me, guys):

Tom Brady:

2005: Gets crushed by Jake Plummer and the Denver Broncos. Plays HORRENDOUSLY. Embarrassingly bad.

2006: Blows an 18 point lead to Peyton Manning in the AFCCG. Plays horrendously, and ends the game in Indy territory throwing a game ending INT to Marlon Jackson. Great clutch play.

2007: 18-1. Scores 14 points in the Super Bowl in a game they are favored to win by 13.5. Also, in the AFCCG against the Chargers, he posted a QB rating of 18 and threw 3 INT's. Very clutch, I know.

2008: KNEE CRUSHER; Cassel wins 11 games as starting QB.

2009: Gets OBLITERATED by Joe Flacco and the Ravens. Loses the game single-handedly in the 1st quarter and posts a WHOPPING QBR OF 4.2. Not a typo. FOUR POINT TWO. FOUR POINT TWO. In reference, Peyton posted a 24.4 last year against Seattle in the Super Bowl. So picture how bad that performance was, and multiply it by about 25.

2010: Lost @ home to MARK SANCHEZ AND THE JETS. But don't worry guys, Tom Brady doubled his QBR in this one and posted a respectable 8.7 EIGHT POINT SEVEN.

2011: Got to the Super Bowl by beating Tim Tebow, playing HORRENDOUSLY against the Ravens (again) in the Lee Evans game, and then overthrowing Welker to lose another Super Bowl. Clutch.

2012: Got obliterated by Joe Flacco and the Ravens despite being favored by 7. He posted a respectable 40 QBR, though, and only lost by 15 ... despite Peyton beating the team the week before only to be Rahim Moore'd. Great clutch play.

2013: Beat Andrew Luck despite throwing 0 TD's. Lost to Peyton Manning, while playing another mediocre game. 1 TD. Very clutch, Mr. Brady!

So, in short, the biggest playoff choking QB in the NFL right now is Tom Brady. In all of those aforementioned choke jobs, he was favored to lose TWICE, both to Peyton Manning (both losses).

Any more myths you want be to bust?

4.2 QBR and 8.7 QBR is Rex Grossman bad, in case anyone wanted a reference point.

[Amnorix]

I really need to get back to work, but I thought I'd look at total points for / against for each QB in the playoffs. Anyway, FWIW:

Manning, average points for: 22.52
Manning, average points against: 22.22

(if nothing else, shows that his ~.500 record isn't disproportionate to the scoring).

Brady, average points for: 25.11
Brady, average points against: 20.19


I admit, I would not have guessed that the Brady average score in the playoffs, lifetime, was higher than Manning's.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

When did I ever say Sanchez was better than Brady?

Then why bother mentioning his name when discussing losing to the opposing team?

I assume you also know that Manning lost to FLACCO and the Ravens in the playoffs?

[Amnorix]

Ok, enough with the stupidity. I'm out. Have fun.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Bufkin

And this was all created because many posters have rightfully labeled Tony Romo trash in the postseason.

Tom Brady has 3 Super Bowl rings and 5 AFC championship rings. Of those 3 Super Bowls, he was MVP for 2 of them. He's also a 2 time MVP and Offensive Player of the Year. Romo does not have one of these accomplishments.

It's genuinely a HUGE disservice to your argument when you trot out the greatest QB of all time.

Joe Montana?

[Donger]

Question: Does Brady also have the reputation of being a choke artist, like Manning does?

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

(Slow day at work for me, guys):

Tom Brady:

2005: Gets crushed by Jake Plummer and the Denver Broncos. Plays HORRENDOUSLY. Embarrassingly bad.

2006: Blows an 18 point lead to Peyton Manning in the AFCCG. Plays horrendously, and ends the game in Indy territory throwing a game ending INT to Marlon Jackson. Great clutch play.

2007: 18-1. Scores 14 points in the Super Bowl in a game they are favored to win by 13.5. Also, in the AFCCG against the Chargers, he posted a QB rating of 18 and threw 3 INT's. Very clutch, I know.

2008: KNEE CRUSHER; Cassel wins 11 games as starting QB.

2009: Gets OBLITERATED by Joe Flacco and the Ravens. Loses the game single-handedly in the 1st quarter and posts a WHOPPING QBR OF 4.2. Not a typo. FOUR POINT TWO. FOUR POINT TWO. In reference, Peyton posted a 24.4 last year against Seattle in the Super Bowl. So picture how bad that performance was, and multiply it by about 25.

2010: Lost @ home to MARK SANCHEZ AND THE JETS. But don't worry guys, Tom Brady doubled his QBR in this one and posted a respectable 8.7 EIGHT POINT SEVEN.

2011: Got to the Super Bowl by beating Tim Tebow, playing HORRENDOUSLY against the Ravens (again) in the Lee Evans game, and then overthrowing Welker to lose another Super Bowl. Clutch.

2012: Got obliterated by Joe Flacco and the Ravens despite being favored by 7. He posted a respectable 40 QBR, though, and only lost by 15 ... despite Peyton beating the team the week before only to be Rahim Moore'd. Great clutch play.

2013: Beat Andrew Luck despite throwing 0 TD's. Lost to Peyton Manning, while playing another mediocre game. 1 TD. Very clutch, Mr. Brady!

So, in short, the biggest playoff choking QB in the NFL right now is Tom Brady. In all of those aforementioned choke jobs, he was favored to lose TWICE, both to Peyton Manning (both losses).

Any more myths you want be to bust?

4.2 QBR and 8.7 QBR is Rex Grossman bad, in case anyone wanted a reference point.

You mention a few times that he "blew leads" and "got obliterated by" Did the Pats field a defense in these games or was he playing D as well?

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Bufkin

Hootie has officially jumped the shark.

Next time in Hootie threads, we'll analyze the airtight evidence of Derek Jeter being the biggest choke-artist in MLB history. Tune in gents!

Nah, Hootie jumped the shark in the Royals thread when he and I were arguing about Alex Gordon's lack of hustle in game 7 of the World Series. If Gordon had busted his ass out of the batter's box, he would have had a realistic shot at an inside the park home run that would have tied the game in the 9th inning. The ball was misplayed by TWO different outfielders. Two different outfielders! That's exactly how inside the park home runs happen.

Hootie stated very emphatically that nobody in the history of baseball would have busted his ass out of the batter's box after hitting a line drive to left-center with 2 outs in the 9th inning. The fact that it was game 7 of the World Series and his team was down by one run is inconsequential. Nobody in the history of baseball would have busted his ass, according to Hootie.

I suppose I can understand Hootie wanting to defend Alex Gordon with his dying breath, but really, nobody in the history of baseball? Guys like Pete Rose busted their asses on routine ground balls to short. I think Pete Rose would have busted his ass with two outs in the 9th inning of game 7 of the World Series.

I quit paying attention to Hootie after that.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

He's certainly clutch compared to the guy he replaced.

Drew Bledsoe may be the worst playoff QB in NFL history, and I don't think I've ever heard it mentioned before. He completed 51% of his passes, threw for 191 yards per game, and had 6 TDs and 12 INTs over 7 games.

You ever see Andy Dalton?

[Amnorix]

Wow. So I went to figure something out and just realized a big part of Manning's choker reputation, and why Brady doesn't have one.

Manning has gone to the playoffs 13 times. He has been one and done EIGHT times. More than 50% of the time, he just goes home after wheezing out. Wow.

Brady, by comparison, has been one and done twice, out of 11 playoff years.

Anyway, what I was really looking up was this -- this thread is partly and heavily based on taking Brady's 3 best years away from him. If you take Manning's three best years, this is what you get:

3 wins, 10 losses.


Ouch.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Hootie stated very emphatically that nobody in the history of baseball would have busted his ass out of the batter's box after hitting a line drive to left-center with 2 outs in the 9th inning. The fact that it was game 7 of the World Series and his team was down by one run is inconsequential. Nobody in the history of baseball would have busted his ass, according to Hootie. [/IMG]

He's the king of idiotic hyperbole. The name of this thread could have been something remotely sensible, like "Brady -- overrated" or "no better than Manning in playoffs in a DECADE".

No, it's "least clutch QB in NFL history".

Seriously?!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Nope the real answer is that soft bitch qb out in pile high

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Wow. So I went to figure something out and just realized a big part of Manning's choker reputation, and why Brady doesn't have one.

Manning has gone to the playoffs 13 times. He has been one and done EIGHT times. More than 50% of the time, he just goes home after wheezing out. Wow.

Brady, by comparison, has been one and done twice, out of 11 playoff years.

Anyway, what I was really looking up was this -- this thread is partly and heavily based on taking Brady's 3 best years away from him. If you take Manning's three best years, this is what you get:

3 wins, 10 losses.


Ouch.

If 5head loses a playoff game this year NO QB IN HISTORY WILL HAVE LOST MORE PLAYOFF GAMES THAN MANNING...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Rausch

If 5head loses a playoff game this year NO QB IN HISTORY WILL HAVE LOST MORE PLAYOFF GAMES THAN MANNING...

When not if

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Wow. So I went to figure something out and just realized a big part of Manning's choker reputation, and why Brady doesn't have one.

Manning has gone to the playoffs 13 times. He has been one and done EIGHT times. More than 50% of the time, he just goes home after wheezing out. Wow.

Brady, by comparison, has been one and done twice, out of 11 playoff years.

Anyway, what I was really looking up was this -- this thread is partly and heavily based on taking Brady's 3 best years away from him. If you take Manning's three best years, this is what you get:

3 wins, 10 losses.


Ouch.

Read and comprehend, hootie.

[Crying Ramtard]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

When not if

neither actually. You shall be wrong