****OFFICIAL Walterfootball.com Mock Draft Thread****

[Urc Burry]

I think Kizer's stock has been dropping like a rock and people are starting to catch on. McShay and Kiper both had him out of the first round

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

I think Kizer's stock has been dropping like a rock and people are starting to catch on. McShay and Kiper both had him out of the first round

What's causing it to drop? Nothing has changed since the season ended.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

What's causing it to drop? Nothing has changed since the season ended.

The 4-8 season at ND didn't help him. And honestly....he's probably got 2 years before I'd start him. But dude has a sky high ****ing ceiling.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

What's causing it to drop? Nothing has changed since the season ended.

More film study would be my guess.

The initial impressions are usually based on a guys measureables and best plays. When you just look at his height/weight/arm and then see the things he's capable of doing, you are drooling over him.

Then when you look at how often he actually does those things as opposed to some of the erratic throws and silly decisions, you start to take pause. You can only get a real feel for that when you start to do deeper digging on each prospect.

I've seen a little more of Kizer than most as a ND fan, but I've also seen it as a fan so I'm not entirely objective I'm sure. And many others just see a big, broad dude with plus athleticism that shows the ability to throw it through a wall but as they see those times that he actually tries to throw it through a wall of defenders, they get a little skittish.

There are warts but the guy has physical ability on par with the best in the NFL right now.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

More film study would be my guess.

The initial impressions are usually based on a guys measureables and best plays. When you just look at his height/weight/arm and then see the things he's capable of doing, you are drooling over him.

Then when you look at how often he actually does those things as opposed to some of the erratic throws and silly decisions, you start to take pause. You can only get a real feel for that when you start to do deeper digging on each prospect.

I've seen a little more of Kizer than most as a ND fan, but I've also seen it as a fan so I'm not entirely objective I'm sure. And many others just see a big, broad dude with plus athleticism that shows the ability to throw it through a wall but as they see those times that he actually tries to throw it through a wall of defenders, they get a little skittish.

There are warts but the guy has physical ability on par with the best in the NFL right now.

It annoys me when the talking heads bring up the fact that he got pulled twice last year late in games. Kelly royally ****ed up the QB situation. I don't think any of that was on Kizer. That was all Kelly.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

More film study would be my guess.

The initial impressions are usually based on a guys measureables and best plays. When you just look at his height/weight/arm and then see the things he's capable of doing, you are drooling over him.

Then when you look at how often he actually does those things as opposed to some of the erratic throws and silly decisions, you start to take pause. You can only get a real feel for that when you start to do deeper digging on each prospect.

I've seen a little more of Kizer than most as a ND fan, but I've also seen it as a fan so I'm not entirely objective I'm sure. And many others just see a big, broad dude with plus athleticism that shows the ability to throw it through a wall but as they see those times that he actually tries to throw it through a wall of defenders, they get a little skittish.

There are warts but the guy has physical ability on par with the best in the NFL right now.

I'd damn sure take that over a guy who's physical ability is diminishing and is so risk averse he won't throw to a single covered receiver no matter how bad the mismatch!