Chiefs How Would You Stop the Broncos Outside Zone? - Page 3

Sorter · 03-08-2015, 04:18 PM

Kubiak back to Denver=even more wide zone. The Broncos already ran it quite a bit last year but it's safe to say we'll be seeing it quite a bit more.

So, let's just assume that for this scenario:
1st and 10
Ball at Broncos 20.
Broncos:
Personnel: Regular (2 backs, 1 TE, 2 WR)
Alignment:

Due to the balanced look, you can choose for the play (outside zone) to be called to either side. Please specify which.

Chiefs:
Personnel: Base 3-4

Now, let's see what the excellent minds of ChiefsPlanet can come up with. Choose your front, slants, blitzes, slants/scrapes and describe how/why you'll handle the Broncos outside zone. I will post some fronts the Chiefs use for reference.

Some .gifs below of the Ravens running outside zone:

Oxford · 03-09-2015, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

With Revis, I'm ****ing blitzing.

Honestly, I don't know much about scheme so I won't pretend to dick measure. 3-4 base, blitz with the safety. I definitely want to learn more about this though it's very interesting

Bury Manning every play they run this. Let them score quick, a 15 yard penalty is a 15 yard penalty regardless of severity.

Sorter · 03-09-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Good ol' Dicky's fire zone.. especially if DJ is back, since he has a knack for shooting gaps.

Really like the idea of slanting backside and bringing additional players playside (whether that's the SAM and Mike, SAM + Wil, etc).

Also think that buzzing instead of safety force helps with your MOF coverages and your backside OLB being able to play the flat from the fullback/TE that always seems to **** witH everyone.

Sully · 03-09-2015, 09:53 AM

Strong side power or CTR will eat that up, though, so be ready.

Sully · 03-09-2015, 09:54 AM

Shit...
Trap the weak side and the back will hit his head on the crossbar.

Sorter · 03-09-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Strong side power or CTR will eat that up, though, so be ready.

Werd.

Hopefully Kubes goes full Gibbs and refuses to believe any run exists apart from wide and tight zone.

Discuss Thrower · 03-09-2015, 10:14 AM

Given my tactical FB experience was limited to a simple route tree, two snaps at CB playing zone and functioning as a kickoff return speed bump I'm a little out of my league here.

But I won't let that stop me, bitches.

Follow Romeo's philosophy of having the linemen read and react.

Operate out of the nickel with perhaps a Ford or Hali playing near the LOS. If they aren't blitzing their responsibility is to cover short passes to the backs or TE or play the run.

Have Houston blitz or cover TE in the intermediate passing game. Last LB spot to a guy who can stay on the field without being a total liability in any one aspect.

Double Demariyus Thomas with Sean Smith and the nickel while Sanders gets single covered by Gaines or Fleming with single high safety help deep from Abdullah or whoever is playing the free. SS gets intermediate to deep zone on anyone who gets past the front six, maybe shadows Hali / Ford if the guy they're covering is particularly good in the passing game.

Point is you concede the run from this offensive set to limit quick scores from Manning. Going out of the nickel base could allow for easier substitutions if Broncs run no huddle. (..?)

Sully · 03-09-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Werd.

Hopefully Kubes goes full Gibbs and refuses to believe any run exists apart from wide and tight zone.

It helps that we don't have Eric Hicks played DE anymore.

Sorter · 03-09-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sully

It helps that we don't have Eric Hicks played DE anymore.

Sorter · 03-09-2015, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Given my tactical FB experience was limited to a simple route tree, two snaps at CB playing zone and functioning as a kickoff return speed bump I'm a little out of my league here.

But I won't let that stop me, bitches.

Follow Romeo's philosophy of having the linemen read and react.

Operate out of the nickel with perhaps a Ford or Hali playing near the LOS. If they aren't blitzing their responsibility is to cover short passes to the backs or TE or play the run.

Have Houston blitz or cover TE in the intermediate passing game. Last LB spot to a guy who can stay on the field without being a total liability in any one aspect.

Double Demariyus Thomas with Sean Smith and the nickel while Sanders gets single covered by Gaines or Fleming with single high safety help deep from Abdullah or whoever is playing the free. SS gets intermediate to deep zone on anyone who gets past the front six, maybe shadows Hali / Ford if the guy they're covering is particularly good in the passing game.

Point is you concede the run from this offensive set to limit quick scores from Manning. Going out of the nickel base could allow for easier substitutions if Broncs run no huddle. (..?)

**** all that.

This thread is about stopping the run with base people. If people Post in this thread, we can progress to subs.

Discuss Thrower · 03-09-2015, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

**** all that.

This thread is about stopping the run with base people. If people Post in this thread, we can progress to subs.

Psh.

A team that chooses to run with Manning under center is doing the football of strangle wanking. It'll feel ****ing awesome at that time but at the end of the day all they are doing is strangling themselves.

But fine. I'll try and edumacate myself on what to do.

Sully · 03-09-2015, 10:46 AM

Ultimately, the front doesn't amtter. Find something you believe in, teach it, and run it.

The main questions are:

What do you want to take away?
- Outside zone

How do you take it away?
- 8 man box, disciplined play by front 4-7, talent

What will they counter with?
- Boot, drop back, possibly counter (or power)

Is your scheme sound to deal with those counters?
- No. My name is Greg Robinson

Have you formulated where your "kill zone" will be on the field?
- No. 52 Bearcat Mike is too much for these players to audible.

Chief_For_Life58 · 03-09-2015, 10:49 AM

Kill the head and the body will die

Discuss Thrower · 03-09-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58

Kill the head and the body will die

Ndamukong Suh has been fined $30,000 by the NFL.

Sorter · 03-09-2015, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

Ultimately, the front doesn't amtter. Find something you believe in, teach it, and run it.

The main questions are:

What do you want to take away?
- Outside zone

How do you take it away?
- 8 man box, disciplined play by front 4-7, talent

What will they counter with?
- Boot, drop back, possibly counter (or power)

Is your scheme sound to deal with those counters?
- No. My name is Greg Robinson

Have you formulated where your "kill zone" will be on the field?
- No. 52 Bearcat Mike is too much for these players to audible.

.

ping2000 · 03-09-2015, 11:28 AM

All I know is we lose in the first round of the playoffs.

03-08-2015, 04:18 PM
Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9631474	How Would You Stop the Broncos Outside Zone? Kubiak back to Denver=even more wide zone. The Broncos already ran it quite a bit last year but it's safe to say we'll be seeing it quite a bit more. So, let's just assume that for this scenario: 1st and 10 Ball at Broncos 20. Broncos: Personnel: Regular (2 backs, 1 TE, 2 WR) Alignment: Due to the balanced look, you can choose for the play (outside zone) to be called to either side. Please specify which. Chiefs: Personnel: Base 3-4 Now, let's see what the excellent minds of ChiefsPlanet can come up with. Choose your front, slants, blitzes, slants/scrapes and describe how/why you'll handle the Broncos outside zone. I will post some fronts the Chiefs use for reference. Some .gifs below of the Ravens running outside zone:
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Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $3246869	Given my tactical FB experience was limited to a simple route tree, two snaps at CB playing zone and functioning as a kickoff return speed bump I'm a little out of my league here. But I won't let that stop me, bitches. Follow Romeo's philosophy of having the linemen read and react. Operate out of the nickel with perhaps a Ford or Hali playing near the LOS. If they aren't blitzing their responsibility is to cover short passes to the backs or TE or play the run. Have Houston blitz or cover TE in the intermediate passing game. Last LB spot to a guy who can stay on the field without being a total liability in any one aspect. Double Demariyus Thomas with Sean Smith and the nickel while Sanders gets single covered by Gaines or Fleming with single high safety help deep from Abdullah or whoever is playing the free. SS gets intermediate to deep zone on anyone who gets past the front six, maybe shadows Hali / Ford if the guy they're covering is particularly good in the passing game. Point is you concede the run from this offensive set to limit quick scores from Manning. Going out of the nickel base could allow for easier substitutions if Broncs run no huddle. (..?) __________________ Chiefs 2016 Opponents: Home: JAX, TEN, NO, TB, NYJ. Away: HOU, IND, ATL, CAR, PIT Chiefs 2017 Opponents: Home: BUF, MIA, PHI, WSH, AFC North. Away: NE, NYJ, NYG, DAL, AFC South
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03-09-2015, 10:46 AM	#41
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	Ultimately, the front doesn't amtter. Find something you believe in, teach it, and run it. The main questions are: What do you want to take away? - Outside zone How do you take it away? - 8 man box, disciplined play by front 4-7, talent What will they counter with? - Boot, drop back, possibly counter (or power) Is your scheme sound to deal with those counters? - No. My name is Greg Robinson Have you formulated where your "kill zone" will be on the field? - No. 52 Bearcat Mike is too much for these players to audible. __________________ "And I don't wish that girl any bad luck," he said, "but I hope she gets hit with a car." - Tommy Lasorda
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