Draft order 11-21-12

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

HaHaHaHa. Denver won't get to draft until 26.

Loser mentality.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

HaHaHaHa. Denver won't get to draft until 26.

I don't find that funny...

[BossChief]

I'm NOT worried about Jacksonville anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if they win 2 or 3 of their remaining games. They play some cupcakes and they looked pretty good with Henne in there.

The whole thing is gonna hinge on the Cleveland game.

[YayMike]

Cleveland wont take a QB, nor will Carolina. I would say Jax would take Geno if they finish above us OR even worse, trade the pick away to someone desperate for a QB that is willing to give up a Washington/RGIII like package. If Jax finishes one overall, what would the board be comfortable giving up to make SURE that we get the QB we want?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by YayMike

Cleveland wont take a QB, nor will Carolina. I would say Jax would take Geno if they finish above us OR even worse, trade the pick away to someone desperate for a QB that is willing to give up a Washington/RGIII like package. If Jax finishes one overall, what would the board be comfortable giving up to make SURE that we get the QB we want?

The thing with Jacksonville is that their front seven situation, particularly with their rush ends, is most likely worse than their quarterback position.

However, Khan has already stated that he wanted Tebow and there were trade rumors circulating prior to the deadline. They guy wants a QB.

But you can't ignore their horrific pass rush. It's abyssmal.

They are going to face a tough choice.

The thing I would be most worried about is Jacksonville finishing ahead of the Chiefs for the top draft spot then trading down to either the Jets or Raiders. I could see a Tebow and picks thing quite easily between Jacksonville and NYJ and the Jets taking Geno Smith. Sanchez is on par with Cassel in terms of being the worst QB in the league at this point. Jets fans are really hating him.

Raiders have to be in the market as well. Palmer is done.

[KCFaninSEA]

Originally Posted by YayMike

Cleveland wont take a QB, nor will Carolina. I would say Jax would take Geno if they finish above us OR even worse, trade the pick away to someone desperate for a QB that is willing to give up a Washington/RGIII like package. If Jax finishes one overall, what would the board be comfortable giving up to make SURE that we get the QB we want?

Nobody is going to give up a package like that for the QB talent that will be there. No QB is worthy of giving up so much for. Part of my concern is that if the Chiefs want to trade down a bit and get a couple of picks, they won't get much in return so they may be forced to take a QB too high for the talent level they are getting. Not a good year to get a top pick if you need a QB.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA

Nobody is going to give up a package like that for the QB talent that will be there. No QB is worthy of giving up so much for. Part of my concern is that if the Chiefs want to trade down a bit and get a couple of picks, they won't get much in return so they may be forced to take a QB too high for the talent level they are getting. Not a good year to get a top pick if you need a QB.

QBs are boom or bust. If he turns into a franchise guy, he is worth every bit of a #1 overall. If he turns into just an average QB, or below, it's a wasted pick, because you still need a QB (average won't cut it). But you have to take the chance that he turns into a franchise QB.

[KCFaninSEA]

Originally Posted by cdcox

QBs are boom or bust. If he turns into a franchise guy, he is worth every bit of a #1 overall. If he turns into just an average QB, or below, it's a wasted pick, because you still need a QB (average won't cut it). But you have to take the chance that he turns into a franchise QB.

So if he is a bust (whoever he is) do you keep drafting a QB till you get it (the "Franchise guy")? Is Shaub a "Franchise guy"? I would take Shaub for 8-10 years as my QB. Put some talent around him and your good.

If "draft one till you get the guy" is the way to go, the team could spend quite a bit before they hit. I realize they can't go anywhere but up at this point, but man, there are just so many holes to fill. Isn't there usually one or more drafted QB per year that just doesn't make it? I just think no matter what they do, the pick must be a stud, the man, whatever you call him, for 10 years or so. I'm still not convinced the "franchise guy @ QB" is there this year.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA

So if he is a bust (whoever he is) do you keep drafting a QB till you get it (the "Franchise guy")? Is Shaub a "Franchise guy"? I would take Shaub for 8-10 years as my QB. Put some talent around him and your good.

If "draft one till you get the guy" is the way to go, the team could spend quite a bit before they hit. I realize they can't go anywhere but up at this point, but man, there are just so many holes to fill. Isn't there usually one or more drafted QB per year that just doesn't make it? I just think no matter what they do, the pick must be a stud, the man, whatever you call him, for 10 years or so. I'm still not convinced the "franchise guy @ QB" is there this year.

Yes, you keep drafting QBs until you get a franchise guy. It might take more than one. If I had doubts about a guy after 2 years, I'd be looking for a value pick. After 3 years I'd throw my top pick at the best available, regardless of the value. The longer you wait, the more opportunities you miss.

I think Shaub is a franchise guy if he stays healthy. I've thought that since 2010.

[DTLB58]

Originally Posted by cdcox

QBs are boom or bust. If he turns into a franchise guy, he is worth every bit of a #1 overall. If he turns into just an average QB, or below, it's a wasted pick, because you still need a QB (average won't cut it). But you have to take the chance that he turns into a franchise QB.

Exactly. And if not, we suck so just keep taking QB's till ya get it right.

[58-4ever]

Originally Posted by YayMike

Cleveland wont take a QB, nor will Carolina. I would say Jax would take Geno if they finish above us OR even worse, trade the pick away to someone desperate for a QB that is willing to give up a Washington/RGIII like package. If Jax finishes one overall, what would the board be comfortable giving up to make SURE that we get the QB we want?

You're dumb if you don't think Cleveland would take a QB

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by 58-4ever

You're dumb if you don't think Cleveland would take a QB

Not in the first round.

[Chief Roundup]

Hmm..Why are the numbers different?

1. Kansas City Chiefs - 1-9 (.540 SOS)
2. Jacksonville Jaguars - 1-9 (.626 SOS)
3. Cleveland Browns - 2-8 (.540 SOS)
4. Carolina Panthers - 2-8 (. 616 SOS)
5. Oakland Raiders - 3-7 (.510 SOS)
6. Philadelphia Eagles - 3-7 (.530 SOS)
7. St. Louis Rams - 3-6-1 (.546 SOS)
8. San Diego Chargers - 4-6 (.450 SOS)
9. Miami Dolphins - 4-6 (.465 SOS)
10. Buffalo Bills - 4-6 (.490 SOS)
11. Detroit Lions - 4-6 (.510 SOS)
12. St. Louis Rams (via Washington Redskins) - 4-6 (.515 SOS)
13. Arizona Cardinals - 4-6 (.566 SOS)
14. New York Jets - 4-6 (.566 SOS)
15. Tennessee Titans - 4-6 (.576 SOS)
16. Cincinnati Bengals - 5-5 (.410 SOS)
17. New Orleans Saints - 5-5 (.460 SOS)
18. Dallas Cowboys - 5-5 (.556 SOS)
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 6-4 (.380 SOS)
20. Minnesota Vikings - 6-4 (.460 SOS)
21. Indianapolis Colts - 6-4 (.434 SOS)
22. New York Giants - 6-4 (.449 SOS)
23. Pittsburgh Steelers - 6-4 (.450 SOS)
24. Seattle Seahawks - 6-4 (.495 SOS)
25. Green Bay Packers - 7-3 (.531 SOS)
26. Denver Broncos - 7-3 (.540 SOS)
27. New England Patriots - 7-3 (.505 SOS)
28. Chicago Bears - 7-3 (.461 SOS)
29. San Francisco 49ers - 7-2-1 (.494 SOS)
30. Baltimore Ravens - 8-2 (.430 SOS)
31. Houston Texans - 9-1 (.475 SOS)
32. Atlanta Falcons - 9-1 (.380 SOS)

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Hmm..Why are the numbers different?

Probably calculating SOS based only on teams that a team has played so far instead of all 16 games on the team's schedule. The latter is the better way and the way done by the site in the OP