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Old 11-03-2016, 09:11 PM  
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*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository ***

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

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Old 12-07-2016, 09:55 AM   #661
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It'll be tight, but if he hits the DL and makes it back to end the season, I would expect he could still get 3 years. With Melancon getting a tick better than $15 million per and regular ol' salary inflation, I see no reason why Davis couldn't hit the $16.5 range on a 3 year deal if he was sound most of the year and his medicals check out.

But I'll be honest - I expect TJ.
How does it work on options?

Lets say that he signs for $16.5M AAV over 3 years, but the 3rd year is a club option with a $2M buyout. Does the compensation only account for the guaranteed money?
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Old 12-07-2016, 09:57 AM   #662
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Old 12-07-2016, 10:09 AM   #663
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How does it work on options?

Lets say that he signs for $16.5M AAV over 3 years, but the 3rd year is a club option with a $2M buyout. Does the compensation only account for the guaranteed money?
I believe it's just guaranteed money but admittedly, you've got me stumped on that one.

Edit: Yeah, as I read it, it's based on 'total guaranteed' so the $2 million buyout would be factored in but not the potential salary. So I would think a player option would count but not a team/mutual option. I don't think you'll see that be used to manipulate the system much if at all because the players are still going to obviously want as much guaranteed money as they can get.
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Old 12-07-2016, 10:09 AM   #664
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While I'd hate to see Moose go that makes more sense to me than trading Wader.
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Old 12-07-2016, 10:14 AM   #665
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While I'd hate to see Moose go that makes more sense to me than trading Wader.
How does trading a closer that looks like his peak has past and looks like he's going to need TJ soon not make sense to you?
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Old 12-07-2016, 10:18 AM   #668
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I mean hell I could argue for keeping Moustakas he looked like he had found a power stroke last year...power is expensive, he plays like that this coming season his value at the deadline would be massive.
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While I'd hate to see Moose go that makes more sense to me than trading Wader.


Unless the return is huge, and I can't imagine it would be, that would be a tough loss to absorb in 2017... I'm not convinced Cuthbert can take a step up and be an .800 plus OPS hitter with above average D.


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How does trading a closer that looks like his peak has past and looks like he's going to need TJ soon not make sense to you?
I'm not as good at predicting TJ as you are; having an elite closer translates to wins. Look at how many games Soria cost us last year and he was league average. If we had Holland at full strength last year and no Soria we make the playoffs. I don't think we would have made the playoffs with an extra 0.080 OPS out of our 3rd baseman last year.
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Unless the return is huge, and I can't imagine it would be, that would be a tough loss to absorb in 2017... I'm not convinced Cuthbert can take a step up and be an .800 plus OPS hitter with above average D.
Why not? I'm stretching a bit here using his AAA numbers last year, but he hit 7HR in 100 AB there and another 12 in 500AB here. He'll hit 15 or more next season. He just turned 24 so the aging curves suggest plenty of room left.


Defensively it's hard to say. Great numbers in part time 2015, poor last year. From the eye test he seems athletic and has a great arm. He's not as good as Moose in any facet but he can be a 2 WAR guy next year easy.
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Unless the return is huge, and I can't imagine it would be, that would be a tough loss to absorb in 2017... I'm not convinced Cuthbert can take a step up and be an .800 plus OPS hitter with above average D.


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Why not? I'm stretching a bit here using his AAA numbers last year, but he hit 7HR in 100 AB there and another 12 in 500AB here. He'll hit 15 or more next season. He just turned 24 so the aging curves suggest plenty of room left.





Defensively it's hard to say. Great numbers in part time 2015, poor last year. From the eye test he seems athletic and has a great arm. He's not as good as Moose in any facet but he can be a 2 WAR guy next year easy.

Yeah, I think that's in reach. But think it's a 2-3 win drop overall.

Moustakas' steady defensive hand was definitely missed last year. And 10 HR make a big difference in value, too.

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