Pagano Tosses Luck under the bus

[oaklandhater]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ck-after-loss/

Frustrated Pagano tough on Luck after loss

Posted by Zac Jackson on September 22, 2015, 1:21 AM EDT
Chuck Pagano, Andrew Luck
AP
The Colts were a mess from the beginning Monday night and were ultimately doomed by five turnovers — three Andrew Luck interceptions — in a 20-7 loss to the Jets.

After the game, Colts coach Chuck Pagano didn’t try to hide his frustration with his quarterback and his team as a whole.

“He’s got to take care of the football,” Pagano said in his postgame press conference. “It’s not that hard. It’s not trigonometry.”

The simple math says that the Colts have scored three touchdowns and committed eight turnovers through two games, both losses.

“Can’t turn the damn ball over,” Pagano said.

Gregg Doyel of the Indianapolis Star, who was at the game and at the postgame press conference, wrote that Pagano was “throwing Luck under the bus.”

While the Jets clearly frustrated Luck with a variety of blitzes and sometimes just by simply overpowering them in one-on-one battles in the trenches, Pagano hinted that Luck has to overcome his line’s shortcomings.

“[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

not everything is about Alex Smith

Andrew Luck >>>>> Alex Smith

now that we're past that ... if the Chiefs had won the Luck lottery and his play on the field with KC is what it is over in Indy I would be grossly disappointed

nothing I have seen with Andrew Luck, thus far, has shown me he's the next great NFL HOF QB

He's solid ... but he's more Philip Rivers / Eli Manning tier than Peyton Manning / Tom Brady tier.

He has not lived up to his billing in any way, shape, or form [thus far].

But yes, he does have all of the talent in the world ... but so do a lot of guys. I just don't make excuses for poor play.

Most people on here would have been ecstatic to get luck going from cassell to luck most of us would have been pleased to see a real passing game I can't stand game manager QBs anymore.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by TimBone

I think it's pretty clear he wants out. He and the GM don't get along. I read here earlier this week that a lot of people around the league consider the GM the problem and sympathize with Pagano.

The roster is an indictment of the GM.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

not everything is about Alex Smith

Andrew Luck >>>>> Alex Smith

now that we're past that ... if the Chiefs had won the Luck lottery and his play on the field with KC is what it is over in Indy I would be grossly disappointed

I know you're smarter than this. The Colts are nearly void of talent. They are awful as a team.

I don't care how good your QB is, if the team as a whole sucks, the QB can only do so much.

Look at the Packers. As good as Rodgers is, they haven't been back to the SB since they won it.

And Seattle isn't winning shit without that D.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

I know you're smarter than this. The Colts are nearly void of talent. They are awful as a team.

They have an excellent WR corps, and the TEs are solid also. Nothing wrong with a combo of Frank Gore and Josh Robinson either.

Yes, their OL is weak. Yes, their defense is weak.. which only serves to inflate Luck's stats. A big problem is that they lead the league in turnovers... with 10.. nearly all thanks to Luck.

This is not to say that Luck isn't generally a good QB. Just that he's not that good, and is typically overrated.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

They have an excellent WR corps, and the TEs are solid also. Nothing wrong with a combo of Frank Gore and Josh Robinson either.

Yes, their OL is weak. Yes, their defense is weak.. which only serves to inflate Luck's stats. A big problem is that they lead the league in turnovers... with 10.. nearly all thanks to Luck.

This is not to say that Luck isn't generally a good QB. Just that he's not that good, and is typically overrated.

Most colts fans hate Coby fleener has has a huge drop pass issue

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

not everything is about Alex Smith

Andrew Luck >>>>> Alex Smith

now that we're past that ... if the Chiefs had won the Luck lottery and his play on the field with KC is what it is over in Indy I would be grossly disappointed

nothing I have seen with Andrew Luck, thus far, has shown me he's the next great NFL HOF QB

He's solid ... but he's more Philip Rivers / Eli Manning tier than Peyton Manning / Tom Brady tier.

He has not lived up to his billing in any way, shape, or form [thus far].

But yes, he does have all of the talent in the world ... but so do a lot of guys. I just don't make excuses for poor play.

If Andrew Luck played with Charles and our defense, he would not play with the gunslinger mentality that he does. Andrew Luck has to do EVERYTHING for his team to have a chance to win. If he doesn't throw 3 touchdowns, the chances of his team winning are VERY slim. So you saying you would be disappointed by Luck if he played this way with us is not realistic. He wouldn't play this way.

[Hootie]

I don't buy that bullshit. The Colts were 3-1 in December last year and there QB played absolute garbage football.

Luck doesn't have to do "everything." Luck has a GM who constantly drafts him weapons and brings in guys like Andre Johnson and Frank Gore who were supposed to be awesome sleeper picks since they finally had an awesome QB to put them in places to excel.

I know, I know, I know ... his line sucks. Pretty convenient excuse. I think it's just another way of saying, "meh. Luck hasn't lived up to his hype."

and that's not an insult.

I would probably put Luck as the 7th or 8th best QB in the NFL right now. That's awesome. But he hasn't lived up to his unreal hype and I see nothing out of him that suggests to me he's some sure fire HOF'er. He's a fast Eli Manning. I love Eli. Eli is great. But has Eli ever been a top 5 QB in any given year? No. And neither has Luck. And Luck has regressed every single year IMO.

I think it's as safe to say that Luck will always be this guy, nothing more ... and that's ok. It's just not John Elway.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I don't buy that bullshit. The Colts were 3-1 in December last year and there QB played absolute garbage football.

Luck doesn't have to do "everything." Luck has a GM who constantly drafts him weapons and brings in guys like Andre Johnson and Frank Gore who were supposed to be awesome sleeper picks since they finally had an awesome QB to put them in places to excel.

I know, I know, I know ... his line sucks. Pretty convenient excuse. I think it's just another way of saying, "meh. Luck hasn't lived up to his hype."

and that's not an insult.

I would probably put Luck as the 7th or 8th best QB in the NFL right now. That's awesome. But he hasn't lived up to his unreal hype and I see nothing out of him that suggests to me he's some sure fire HOF'er. He's a fast Eli Manning. I love Eli. Eli is great. But has Eli ever been a top 5 QB in any given year? No. And neither has Luck. And Luck has regressed every single year IMO.

I think it's as safe to say that Luck will always be this guy, nothing more ... and that's ok. It's just not John Elway.

I agree with most of what you say about Luck, but I don't agree with that last paragraph.

As someone in another thread mentioned, a QB can be taught to limit turnovers. You can't teach a lot of what makes Luck so good, though.

I expect both him and Wilson to get better over the next 10-12 years as Peyton Manning and Tom Brady did.

[Hootie]

Luck is almost like Flacco to me. Some weeks he'll look like the best QB in the game, but then, more often than not, he'll look like one of the worst.

I realize I'm not always right. Derek Carr has been good this year (I'm not crowning him yet). Tom Brady is playing the best football I've ever seen in my life from any QB so far this year. Kaepernick is awful. I'm not afraid to admit my misses.

I just don't see why Luck gets excuses for playing BAD football. Andrew Luck has PLENTY of weapons. Aaron Rodgers has a pretty spotty record in big games since his Super Bowl. Joe Flacco is awful.

When Andrew Luck develops into an elite QB, I'll gladly say, "wow, Luck sure is good!" At this point he's not there, and he's not really close. I see nothing that suggests to me he can be the next Aaron Rodgers. He's simply too careless with the football. How many seasons does he get before the excuses run out?

[RobBlake]

People like a QB that throws down the field, no matter how many times he costs his team wins. A turnover prone QB is more frustrating to watch

[Hootie]

Tom Brady has perfected the dink and dunk to a level I have never before seen ... he is literally playing the QB position as close to perfect as it can be played. Throwing the ball down the field is nice and all but you don't have to play that way to win. Brady showed it in the Super Bowl.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Tom Brady has perfected the dink and dunk to a level I have never before seen ... he is literally playing the QB position as close to perfect as it can be played. Throwing the ball down the field is nice and all but you don't have to play that way to win. Brady showed it in the Super Bowl.

And BB used a lot of Andy's playbook in that game. It was essentially Andy's wet dream of a QB performance.

[dls6501]

People saying Luck throws too many interceptions crack me up. There is absolutely no context to counting the number of interceptions.

A better way to look at it is interception percentage. Lets look at some historical QBs (and a couple current ones) to put this inperspective....

Joe Montana 2.6
Steve Young 2.6
Peyton Manning 2.6
Drew Brees 2.6
Tony Romo 2.6
Ben Rothlisberger 2.6
Troy Aikman 3.0
Dan Marino 3.0
John Elway 3.1
Kurt Warner 3.1
Brett Favre 3.3
Warren Moon 3.4
Jim Kelly 3.7
Roger Staubach 3.7
Dan Fouts 4.3

Andrew Luck 2.5

Advanced stats = context. Stat totals = no context whatsoever.

Andrew Luck has more INT’s than Jay Cutler since last year!!!!! Yes. 21-20. Andrew Luck has also throw 702 passes in that time. Cutler, 606.

96 passes is roughly 3 full games worth of passes, with just 1 more INT.

Cutler’s ratio? 3.4

50 career games. 48 INT’s. 1 per game. Throwing the ball 1,900 times in that span. With absolutely zero running game. No Lynch, or Lacy, or Le’Veon Bell, or Emmitt Smith, or Roger Craig, or Terrell Davis etc to hand off to, or occupy defenses. Yet, all those QB’s throw INT’s more often than Luck does on a per pass basis.

But hey, let’s not use context with our facts, let’s use the same stats that were invented in 1937 and apply them in 2015.

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Tom Brady has perfected the dink and dunk to a level I have never before seen ... he is literally playing the QB position as close to perfect as it can be played. Throwing the ball down the field is nice and all but you don't have to play that way to win. Brady showed it in the Super Bowl.

They play inside out.. while Andrew plays outside/in. There was no other way to beat the Seahawks than by how Tom did..

[oaklandhater]

Neither Colts' QB, Andrew Luck and Matthew Hasselbeck, threw passes in practice this week. Not ideal situation for Thursday, or any, night.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) October 8, 2015

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