Alex Smith is a damn good QB

[TLO]

Just look at some of the numbers around the league today. We're lucky to have him as our QB.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I was using total yards, but maybe beer and math don't mix or I was looking at the wrong thing... oops.

But, I also said "almost identical stats" earlier, so whatevs.

For someone who's 'thrown caution to the wind', he has basically the same stats as Alex Smith. I get fans' frustrations with big mistakes, but I'm not seeing how they made such a huge mistake in that trade... even if Kaepernick was holding back the offense, it's not like Smith would be the one who comes in and maxes out its potential or would have a significantly better shot at winning big games.

****ing serious?

Kap has "almost identical stats" to Alex Smith, despite having a better offensive line, and having this to throw to:
Anquan Boldin
Michael Crabtree
Stevie Johnson
Vernon Davis
Brandon Lloyd

Lets not forget he has ****ing Frank Gore behind him as a rush threat.

So yeah, sit and tell me that Kap's the better guy when he as INFINITELY GREATER personell around him, but can only muster up "almost identical" stats to Alex Smith who has a barely visible Dwayne Bowe and a scrap heap of scrub wideouts, a TE in Fasano that runs like an upright log, and Kelce who isn't on the field nearly as much as he should be.

Keep drinkin and postin son. Night's young and we all need the laughs.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

it's not like Smith would be the one who comes in and maxes out its potential or would have a significantly better shot at winning big games.

you don't know that..that is speculation based on bias.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I did notice most of their receivers are lagging behind their recent production, outside of Boldin.

Its a tale of two different defenses. Ones that can KEEP him in the pocket, and those that cant. The one play the Rams last weekend weren't able to keep Kaep in the pocket, he rolled right, came back across the field to a wide open Boldin. That's it. Other than that,, they kept him in the pocket all day, and sacked him 8 times.

How anyone can assume that he hasn't hit his ceiling, when all of the numbers and results scream that he has is beyond me.

they act like this kid is 24, 25 years old. Hes 27, and despite them constantly adding playmakers to his team, doesn't seem to be able to take that leap.

meanwhile Alex Smith with far less talent around him, seems to at the very least be getting max from the players he has around him.

I could be wrong.

I know im a biased Alex Smith ball gargler who can see him do no wrong, and must defend every decision to the DEATH.

But, that's just what I see.

[O.city]

The 9ers ol has been pretty bad of late. Dunno what the cause of it is.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I was using total yards, but maybe beer and math don't mix or I was looking at the wrong thing... oops.

But, I also said "almost identical stats" earlier, so whatevs.

For someone who's 'thrown caution to the wind', he has basically the same stats as Alex Smith. I get fans' frustrations with big mistakes, but I'm not seeing how they made such a huge mistake in that trade... even if Kaepernick was holding back the offense, it's not like Smith would be the one who comes in and maxes out its potential or would have a significantly better shot at winning big games.

You just don't value small ball. Which is odd for someone from KC. Smith's game is the equivalent to Small ball in baseball. It's bunting runners over... and stealing bags (WCO). Getting guys in scoring position and then base hitting them in (TOP). Scratching out a modest lead and then shutting them down with good pitching (Not turning the ball over). It's a pretty solid analogy. Smith is a big factor in all of those areas. Not the only piece but a significant piece.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by O.city

The 9ers ol has been pretty bad of late. Dunno what the cause of it is.

LOL.

Its called a qb, who cant read defenses, and holds the ball too long.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by O.city

The 9ers ol has been pretty bad of late. Dunno what the cause of it is.

1. they were never a strong pass pro OL..
2. pre-snap awareness of the signal caller..
3. post-snap recognition of coverage from the signal caller..

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by O.city

The 9ers ol has been pretty bad of late. Dunno what the cause of it is.

Ah. So if Im to understand correctly, you are implying that the "Mai O-Line is shit gais!!" excuse can be applied to Kaepernick and justify his shit play, but cannot be used to defend Alex Smith's inability to execute a 5 or 7 step drop to get a WR a shot at a ball anywhere past 15 yards downfield?

K.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Mav

LOL.

Its called a qb, who cant read defenses, and holds the ball too long.

To be fair. It has never been great at pass protection. They have been at fault for some of the sacks but not all of them.

Against the 49ers in Week 9, they sacked Kaepernick eight times. Of those eight sacks, Kaepernick should have avoided five, could have avoided one and had no chance on two.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/fil...dy-bridgewater

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

****ing serious?

Kap has "almost identical stats" to Alex Smith, despite having a better offensive line, and having this to throw to:

Michael Crabtree
Stevie Johnson
Vernon Davis
Brandon Lloyd

Lets not forget he has ****ing Frank Gore behind him as a rush threat.

So yeah, sit and tell me that Kap's the better guy when he as INFINITELY GREATER personell around him, but can only muster up "almost identical" stats to Alex Smith who has a barely visible Dwayne Bowe and a scrap heap of scrub wideouts, a TE in Fasano that runs like an upright log, and Kelce who isn't on the field nearly as much as he should be.

Keep drinkin and postin son. Night's young and we all need the laughs.

Well, you're taking this a lot more seriously than I am, as I have no agenda in this argument and don't believe I've once actually said Kaepernick is the better alternative... I haven't watched a single 49ers game, so it was a legit question and not just baiting because I'm a Kaepernick fan or Smith "hater" or whatever.

And yeah, that's exactly what I looked at, and like I mentioned, his receivers are definitely lagging behind, except for Boldin.

So yeah, Kaepernick is probably holding back that offense, so the questions are:
1) Is he smart enough to improve?

2) How significant of an improvement would Smith be?
More efficient, probably... full potential of those weapons, probably not. It would be interesting to see, for sure, since so much of the pro debate around Smith isn't about him, but his coaches, WRs, offensive line, etc.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by temper11

You just don't value small ball. Which is odd for someone from KC. Smith's game is the equivalent to Small ball in baseball. It's bunting runners over... and stealing bags (WCO). Getting guys in scoring position and then base hitting them in (TOP). Scratching out a modest lead and then shutting them down with good pitching (Not turning the ball over). It's a pretty solid analogy. Smith is a big factor in all of those areas. Not the only piece but a significant piece.

I look at the Chiefs team, and I see them like the Wisconsin Badgers basketball team.

The Badgers are notorious for playing great defense, and utilizing every second of the shot clock on offense. They tempo like that because they aren't capable of getting into the up and down game with other teams, so instead of playing to that, and placating to other teams, they slow the game down.

That is what the Chiefs are doing. They are injured on defense, and thin on offensive weapons, and thin on the offensive line, so they milk the drives for all they are worth, while keeping their defense rested, and then when it gets later in games, and teams have to throw more, that allows sudden to unleash hell with the double H'S.

The coaching staff is playing perfectly to the roster. people who play fantasy football, and watch sportscenter highlights don't like it, and that's cool, especially in the so called passing golden age of football.

Other than Browns fans, I have never seen so many fans pissed off with winning.

Now the Chiefs are winning, and its not stylistic enough for some people, and that in itself is Thsickening.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

To be fair. It has never been great at pass protection. They have been at fault for some of the sacks but not all of them.


http://www.footballoutsiders.com/fil...dy-bridgewater

This is true... but, if I were Smith and the Chiefs, I'd swap for the 9ers oline in a heartbeat. It's kinda funny actually... half here would rather swap the olines and/or the WR core with then niners the other half would rather swap for the QB.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

To be fair. It has never been great at pass protection. They have been at fault for some of the sacks but not all of them.


http://www.footballoutsiders.com/fil...dy-bridgewater

That is a whole different discussion entirely isn't it Viper? The line is a run blocking line. The strengths with Staley, Iupati, Alex Boone and Anthony Davis were always the run. The team is built around Frank Gore, and the oline.

Much like the Chiefs, when the 49ers get away from that, their offense struggles. it was like that when Alex was there. At the time that Alex Smith got hurt, the 49ers had the number one rushing attack in football.

Why Jim Harbaugh has to prove that Colin Kaepernick is capable of carrying the team, (he isn't) is beyond me. And, when Harbs leaves, and leaves the 49ers with Kaep, I will giggle.

Kaep is incapable of reading the defense pre snap, he has difficulty telling what the coverages are, still has trouble passing from the pocket, lacks touch on the most basic of passes, and panics under pressure.

It has no changed. The only difference is, 2 years ago when I was posting this on a niners forum, I was just an Alexsexual ripping on a YOUNG guy who had only started a hand full of games.

At what point does it become, you are what you are?

He has been starting for two full seasons now, and he doesn't look any better than he did last year.

im done with it. This is a Chiefs board, and im glad Alex Smith is here, not there.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mav

Other than Browns fans, I have never seen so many fans pissed off with winning.

.

Why are the Browns fans pissed off?

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Mav

Other than Browns fans, I have never seen so many fans pissed off with winning.

Now the Chiefs are winning, and its not stylistic enough for some people, and that in itself is Thsickening.

We had this discussion earlier... has to do with the history of the Chiefs... regular season wins are meaningless even coming off of the 2-14 season before. Just the reality of the situation here. I hope Smith and this Chiefs team can cure all of that.

Have a great weekend all... Off to my boys football game!