Anybody still think Haley shouldn't have been fired?

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is year FOUR since Haley and Pioli were hired.

Haley's since been fired. Crennel and Pioli will soon be fired.

How is 2013 NOT five years?

I don't understand how you can always get so mad at people for misreading your posts yet constantly do it to others.

You said Haley ****ed the team over for five and thats my issue. Pioli is the one that has ****ed them over for five years. Pioli is the common factor for every year. Haley didn't make the roster decisions that are the issue with this team.

If you feel he didn't use the roster correctly that's fine, but if that's the case the team should be better. Since it isn't, its pretty clear that the set back of five years doesn't fall on Haley, it falls on Pioli.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I don't understand how you can always get so mad at people for misreading your posts yet constantly do it to others.

You said Haley ****ed the team over for five and thats my issue. Pioli is the one that has ****ed them over for five years. Pioli is the common factor for every year. Haley didn't make the roster decisions that are the issue with this team. 22 guys off the street. Yeah, right.

If you feel he didn't use the roster correctly that's fine, but if that's the case the team should be better. Since it isn't, its pretty clear that the set back of five years doesn't fall on Haley, it falls on Pioli.

Haley completely ****ed over this team. His abrasive style, which included yelling at players and assistant coaches on the sidelines during games (which were caught by cameras) along with his overall coaching ****ed this franchise.

While it's true that Pioli has done a piss poor job of identifying free agents and college draftees, Haley didn't help himself or the team by playing Larry Johnson and Mike Goof for ten games, nor did he help himself by going for it on 4th down on his own 20, etc. and so on.

Pioli has been an abomination as a GM but Haley did absolutely nothing to help this team.

Nothing.

It'll be 2013 before this ship has been "righted", making it five years.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Haley completely ****ed over this team. His abrasive style, which included yelling at players and assistant coaches on the sidelines during games (which were caught by cameras) along with his overall coaching ****ed this franchise.

While it's true that Pioli has done a piss poor job of identifying free agents and college draftees, Haley didn't help himself or the team by playing Larry Johnson and Mike Goof for ten games, nor did he help himself by going for it on 4th down on his own 20, etc. and so on.

Pioli has been an abomination as a GM but Haley did absolutely nothing to help this team.

Nothing.

It'll be 2013 before this ship has been "righted", making it five years.

While I don't hate Haley like you, I don't feel I can disagree with your feelings on Haley and his time here. My only issue is that I don't think what Haley did ****ed them over beyond his regime. Once Haley left everything he was doing ceased to affect this franchise. So even if you feel this team under-achieved with Haley, it had no affect on the past 2 years.

I guess I just hear ****ed over and think a long term affect that keeps going beyond their time here. Like what DV did. I just think the difference is DV had a lot more say in personnel. Haley's affect on this time was strictly limited to the play on the field, and imho, wouldn't affect future teams once he wasn't around.

Really, my beef with your comment isn't what Haley did when he was here but the implication(at least how I took it), that his impact was still being felt.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Haley completely ****ed over this team. His abrasive style, which included yelling at players and assistant coaches on the sidelines during games (which were caught by cameras) along with his overall coaching ****ed this franchise.

While it's true that Pioli has done a piss poor job of identifying free agents and college draftees, Haley didn't help himself or the team by playing Larry Johnson and Mike Goof for ten games, nor did he help himself by going for it on 4th down on his own 20, etc. and so on.

Pioli has been an abomination as a GM but Haley did absolutely nothing to help this team.

Nothing.

It'll be 2013 before this ship has been "righted", making it five years.

Yeah, sure.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Yeah, sure.

Really?

Then why were they 5-8 when he was fired? Why did they win 2 games AFTER he was fired?

I don't remember the San Francisco 49ers falling off a cliff when Bill Walsh retired.

I don't remember the Denver Broncos falling off a cliff when Dan Reeves was fired.

I don't remember the Pittsburgh Steelers dumping seasons after Cowher left.

Yet, I'm to believe that the absence of Todd Haley and Todd Haley alone means that the Chiefs fall to 1-8?

Bullshit.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? Yeah, really.

Then why were they 5-8 when he was fired? Why did they win 2 games AFTER he was fired? Pioli wanted to fire Haley after the 2010 year because he wanted to make a move to give options other than Cassel at QB...like Hasselback. Pioli is married to Cassel because he gave him 63 million. Kyle Orton won those games...its too bad Orton got hurt and Haley had to play Palko.

I don't remember the San Francisco 49ers falling off a cliff when Bill Walsh retired. They had a QB.

I don't remember the Denver Broncos falling off a cliff when Dan Reeves was fired. They had a QB

I don't remember the Pittsburgh Steelers dumping seasons after Cowher left.
they had a QB
Yet, I'm to believe that the absence of Todd Haley and Todd Haley alone means that the Chiefs fall to 1-8? This is a team that still doesnt have a QB and now we are seeing what thats like without an elite motivator running the show.

Bullshit.

Call it bullshit all you want, Dane. This team gave much better effort and played with far better energy under Haley because he MADE THEM.

Gyus dotn have to fear him getting in theri face when they **** up nowadays, and look whats happening AT A RECORD PACE....

THE TEAM IS ****ING UP.

In 2011, the Chiefs had 29 turnovers.

Through only 9 games of 2012, the same roster has 30 turnovers.

A similar correlation can be made for penalties and another thing Haley didnt have was nagging "hurts" that got played out like "injuries" like they are nowadays.

Haley gave this team a mental toughness that is sorely lacking without him...its not that surprising that the one game they DID show up was when Haley was across the field.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Call it bullshit all you want, Dane. This team gave much better effort and played with far better energy under Haley because he MADE THEM.

Gyus dotn have to fear him getting in theri face when they **** up nowadays, and look whats happening AT A RECORD PACE....

THE TEAM IS ****ING UP.

In 2011, the Chiefs had 29 turnovers.

Through only 9 games of 2012, the same roster has 30 turnovers.

A similar correlation can be made for penalties and another thing Haley didnt have was nagging "hurts" that got played out like "injuries" like they are nowadays.

Haley gave this team a mental toughness that is sorely lacking without him...its not that surprising that the one game they DID show up was when Haley was across the field.

4-12

10-6

5-8

If you think THAT'S effort, I have a timeshare to sell you in Mexico.

Seriously, I have a timeshare to sell you in Mexico.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

4-12 the year before the team was 2-14

10-6 playoffs with Cassel as the QB, finalist for coach of the year

5-8 wanted the GM to sign Matt Hasselback so when Cassel didnt step up, there was plan b...but he got Palko. Dont try to tell me he wouldnt have won the division if Hasselback came in for Cassel mid 2011...you would be acting disingenuous to further an agenda.

If you think THAT'S effort, I have a timeshare to sell you in Mexico.

Seriously, I have a timeshare to sell you in Mexico.

1-8.