Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 53

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

DJ's left nut · 10-18-2018, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

I'll accept that. I don't consider what Berry currently has to be an actual injury. It might just be semantics, but this is more of an ongoing condition that he can choose to play through if he can stomach the pain. For $15 million a year he better damn well be in crutches or a wheelchair for me to believe he shouldn't be pushing through the pain.

It's an interesting line to walk, for sure.

I mean, who didn't have a coach growing up who said something along the lines of "are you hurt, or are you injured?"

We knew damn sure what he meant.

Is Eric Berry hurt or is he injured? I'm not sure the needle is pushed nearly as far towards 'injured' as some will claim.

**ChiTown** · 10-18-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

I'll accept that. I don't consider what Berry currently has to be an actual injury. It might just be semantics, but this is more of an ongoing condition that he can choose to play through if he can stomach the pain. For $15 million a year he better damn well be in crutches or a wheelchair for me to believe he shouldn't be pushing through the pain.

I'm right there with you. I stopped crying for Professional Athletes a LONG time ago. They are getting paid to play - injured or not. You have a short time to make money, and we have an even shorter time for that return on investment. Get your ass out there or get gone.

htismaqe · 10-18-2018, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's an interesting line to walk, for sure.

I mean, who didn't have a coach growing up who said something along the lines of "are you hurt, or are you injured?"

We knew damn sure what he meant.

Is Eric Berry hurt or is he injured? I'm not sure the needle is pushed nearly as far towards 'injured' as some will claim.

My dad always used to tell me that I had to "know the difference between pain and injury".

**fan4ever** · 10-18-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's an interesting line to walk, for sure.

I mean, who didn't have a coach growing up who said something along the lines of "are you hurt, or are you injured?"

We knew damn sure what he meant.

Is Eric Berry hurt or is he injured? I'm not sure the needle is pushed nearly as far towards 'injured' as some will claim.

I get what people are saying, but if you've ever played "hurt" you know you're not at 100%...and in the NFL the line is so fine between a great player and an average one I don't know how effective Berry would be if he returned in a diminished condition.

Hammock Parties · 10-18-2018, 10:42 AM

what if berry has secretly had surgery and is recovering and the team doesn't want anyone to know so when he's suddenly ready for a game it's a huge surprise?

**ChiTown** · 10-18-2018, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever

I get what people are saying, but if you've ever played "hurt" you know you're not at 100%...and in the NFL the line is so fine between a great player and an average one I don't know how effective Berry would be if he returned in damaged condition.

I'm not sure he could be much worse than the 40+ points of defense we are running out there currently.........

**fan4ever** · 10-18-2018, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

I'm not sure he could be much worse than the 40+ points of defense we are running out there currently.........

I'm sure he probably wouldn't be any worse...but I'm looking for better and I'd rather not risk future, prolonged injury.

old_geezer · 10-18-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever

I get what people are saying, but if you've ever played "hurt" you know you're not at 100%...and in the NFL the line is so fine between a great player and an average one I don't know how effective Berry would be if he returned in a diminished condition.

At this point in time I question how effective Berry would be even if he did return. He hasn't played for a year and a half now; he's far from being able to "just step in and play" IMO.

htismaqe · 10-18-2018, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

what if berry has secretly had surgery and is recovering and the team doesn't want anyone to know so when he's suddenly ready for a game it's a huge surprise?

Dreaming...

DJ's left nut · 10-18-2018, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

My dad always used to tell me that I had to "know the difference between pain and injury".

My 4 year old was 3 at the time and she was running around on the concrete at a park or something, fell down and slid on her hands. I'm sure it hurt like hell. She popped up with that "the reaction to this will determine how I respond" expression and I just instinctively said "Are you hurt or are you injured?"

My wife slapped me upside the head and went to pick the kid up, who promptly started crying.

I still think I was right...

Marcellus · 10-18-2018, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's an interesting line to walk, for sure.

I mean, who didn't have a coach growing up who said something along the lines of "are you hurt, or are you injured?"

We knew damn sure what he meant.

Is Eric Berry hurt or is he injured? I'm not sure the needle is pushed nearly as far towards 'injured' as some will claim.

Yea I am sure Berry, an athlete his entire life and All Pro caliber player doesn't know the difference.

Most of you guys would pull a hamstring getting off the couch too fast and you are questioning Berry's toughness.

I cant believe you guys think the guy could be out there and he just isn't doing it because he isn't tough enough or doesn't have the heart.

This is the epitome of internet message board warrior nonsense.

DJ's left nut · 10-18-2018, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yea I am sure Berry, an athlete his entire life and All Pro caliber player doesn't know the difference.

Most of you guys would pull a hamstring getting off the couch too fast and you are questioning Berry's toughness.

I cant believe you guys think the guy could be out there and he just isn't doing it because he isn't tough enough or doesn't have the heart.

This is the epitome of internet message board warrior nonsense.

I do ever so love your steadfast insistence on disparaging everyone who deigns besmirch the good name of a guy who hasn't done shit for this team in 14 months.

You're right, we're all just jealous fatasses who've never experienced pain.

Jesus you're simple. Oh wait, that's not right. You're simply enlightened.

Nice take, Soren.

**The Franchise** · 10-18-2018, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yea I am sure Berry, an athlete his entire life and All Pro caliber player doesn't know the difference.

Most of you guys would pull a hamstring getting off the couch too fast and you are questioning Berry's toughness.

I cant believe you guys think the guy could be out there and he just isn't doing it because he isn't tough enough or doesn't have the heart.

This is the epitome of internet message board warrior nonsense.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the epitome of a white knight.

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 10-18-2018, 12:25 PM

amazing how many of you seem to think he's taking your money...

DJ's left nut · 10-18-2018, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest

Ladies and Gentlemen, the epitome of a white knight.

God knows I'm proud of him...

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1986899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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