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**alnorth** · 04:36 PM

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
DET (17-9)	0	1	0	3	2	0	0	0	0	6	11	0
KC (16-9)	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	4	6	1

Win, (2-3) Anibal Sanchez 7⅓IP 3R 3ER 1BB 4K
Tom Gorzelanny ⅔IP 1R 1ER 0BB 1K
Save, (10) Joakim Soria 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

VS.

Loss, (1-2) Jeremy Guthrie 6IP 6R 6ER 0BB 1K 1HR
Brandon Finnegan 2IP 0R 0ER 1BB 3K
Kelvin Herrera 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

Home Runs

DET

Miguel Cabrera, (6) - Top 5th 2-run homer

KC

none

AL Central

Final: TOR 7, CLE 10
Final: CWS 3, MIN 13

DET

1. Anthony Gose, CF
2. Ian Kinsler, 2B
3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
4. Victor Martinez, DH
5. J.D. Martinez, RF
6. Yoenis Cespedes, LF
7. Alex Avila, C
8. Nick Castellanos, 3B
8. Hernan Perez, 3B
9. Jose Iglesias, SS

KC

1. Alex Gordon, LF
2. Mike Moustakas, 3B
3. Kendrys Morales, DH
4. Eric Hosmer, 1B
5. Salvador Perez, C
6. Omar Infante, 2B
7. Paulo Orlando, RF
8. Jarrod Dyson, CF
9. Christian Colon, SS

Chiefspants · 05-03-2015, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Can't mess with the FIP gods forever. Guthrie isn't a good pitcher, period. Of course Ned in postgame blew smoke up everyone's ass talking about how great his "command" was today. LOL. One reporter said "I know you addressed Guthrie already but this is 5 straight rough outings to start the season, ---"

Nedster cut him off to inform him it wasn't 5, he just a had a few bad luck innings incl Finnegan giving up 2 of his runs in Cleveland this week. (Ned did not mention Guthrie put both guys on with no outs)

I think the largest difference is that when Guthrie missed over the last two seasons, he generally missed down and away. This year he's been missing up and in the zone.

Prison Bitch · 05-03-2015, 06:16 PM

Sure seemed like he worked 90-92 the last couple years but he was in the 87-88 range today. His velocity looked shot. Maybe he can reshape himself into a groundball pitcher throwing everything down and getting his changeup to 70mph. I don't know. As he is right now, he a real POS on the mound.

Chiefspants · 05-03-2015, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Sure seemed like he worked 90-92 the last couple years but he was in the 87-88 range today. His velocity looked shot. Maybe he can reshape himself into a groundball pitcher throwing everything down and getting his changeup to 70mph. I don't know. As he is right now, he a real POS on the mound.

He looks real bad. It's going to become real tempting to sub him with Young if Guthrie keeps pooping himself out there.

**alnorth** · 05-03-2015, 08:25 PM

I'll just say that I will be more interested in Young's next start than I normally would be. Don't want to overreact to a few starts, but we're not playing for next year. We gotta have our best 5.

**alnorth** · 05-03-2015, 08:26 PM

oh, and paging duncan... you need to re-make our Royals Repository thread

SPchief · 05-03-2015, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I'll just say that I will be more interested in Young's next start than I normally would be. Don't want to overreact to a few starts, but we're not playing for next year. We gotta have our best 5.

When is Young starting again?

tk13 · 05-03-2015, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I'll just say that I will be more interested in Young's next start than I normally would be. Don't want to overreact to a few starts, but we're not playing for next year. We gotta have our best 5.

We don't have to use Young again because of the off day. They mapped it out well. Vargas/Duffy/Volquez vs. the Indians.

Then Ventura/Guthrie/Vargas vs. the Tigers next weekend.

Three7s · 05-03-2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

We don't have to use Young again because of the off day. They mapped it out well. Vargas/Duffy/Volquez vs. the Indians.

Then Ventura/Guthrie/Vargas vs. the Tigers next weekend.

Yuck.

tk13 · 05-03-2015, 10:02 PM

Back end of the Yankees bullpen almost gave up a run tonight in another 4 hour game with the Red Sox. Andrew Miller loaded the bases but got out of it.

Miller and Betances have pitched 28 IP with 0 ER and 48 K. It's gonna be a fun battle when we play them.

Prison Bitch · 05-03-2015, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

He looks real bad. It's going to become real tempting to sub him with Young if Guthrie keeps pooping himself out there.

What annoyed me about Yost was he stood up for his player....by throwing Finnegan under the bus. Lame. Yost might not think there's a problem with Guthrie but I'd bet anything DM and his assistants in the front office do

tk13 · 05-03-2015, 10:24 PM

I'm sure the front office is all over it. Still, it's only 5 starts. It's a relatively small sample size.

Vargas has only had 4 starts, that's not much either. One of the two needs to figure it out though. I've always been a big fan of Young, I think he can fill one of the spots just fine. But there's no guarantee we'll be able to fill the other spot until after the All Star Break, if we're lucky.

Guthrie has been a 200 IP guy for us the last two years, and that doesn't include Shields 225 IP. That's a ton of work to replace.

**ChiTown** · 05-04-2015, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I'll just say that I will be more interested in Young's next start than I normally would be. Don't want to overreact to a few starts, but we're not playing for next year. We gotta have our best 5.

100% THIS!!

This is no longer about feeling good, and letting a guy try and work it out because it doesn't matter anyway. This is about winning the Division and getting to the Playoffs. We can't sit idly by while Guts has one good outing out of 10. That ain't going to get it done in the Central

Prison Bitch · 05-04-2015, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I'm sure the front office is all over it. Still, it's only 5 starts. It's a relatively small sample size.

Vargas has only had 4 starts, that's not much either. One of the two needs to figure it out though. I've always been a big fan of Young, I think he can fill one of the spots just fine. But there's no guarantee we'll be able to fill the other spot until after the All Star Break, if we're lucky.

Guthrie has been a 200 IP guy for us the last two years, and that doesn't include Shields 225 IP. That's a ton of work to replace.

I've had this same argument with Duncan. Eating innings is great if you're a decent pitcher. If you're a shithead then eating innings is bad. And Guts eating 200 IP at a 4.60 FIP (2014) isn't adding much value. Now he's way higher. (And Yost is fdefending him!)

You could get all sorts of guys to do that. Now Guts pitched great down the stretch in Sept-oct so it's fair to think his good days aren't all that long ago (6months?). But at 36, pitchers are known to fall off the map

duncan_idaho · 05-04-2015, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

oh, and paging duncan... you need to re-make our Royals Repository thread

We killed it already? Shit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I've had this same argument with Duncan. Eating innings is great if you're a decent pitcher. If you're a shithead then eating innings is bad. And Guts eating 200 IP at a 4.60 FIP (2014) isn't adding much value. Now he's way higher. (And Yost is fdefending him!)

You could get all sorts of guys to do that. Now Guts pitched great down the stretch in Sept-oct so it's fair to think his good days aren't all that long ago (6months?). But at 36, pitchers are known to fall off the map

200 league-average innings (which is what the Royals have basically gotten from Guthrie over the past 2.5 seasons) is a valuable thing. Not incredibly valuable, but it does hold value, especially from a back-end rotation spot. If you're getting 200 league-average innings from the last starter in your rotation - what Guthrie is - you're in pretty good shape.

Now, of course, Guthrie has not been league average or anything close to it. He's got to pick things up quickly or be at risk of getting Pipped by Chris Young, in my opinion. Guthrie is a good guy and well-respected in the clubhouse. They'll give him some rope. I hope it isn't too much.

Speaking of that, yesterday is one of those classic "hindsight" games. In hindsight, you wish they'd pulled Guthrie before the inning he gave up the bomb to Cabrera. But I'm not going to complain about trying to get through a few more innings when already down 4-0 against a pitcher who has been perfect through 4 innings.

Still like seeing the team battle back through the deficit to make that so close yesterday, though.

Think about this: The Royals are 7 games over .500 and playing .640 baseball, and that's WITH the suspensions and having had Alex Rios miss 3 weeks already.

That hardly seems real.

Need to win this series against the Indians and get a little hot.

Great Expectations · 05-04-2015, 09:55 AM

What's the word on Rios? Did he start rehabbing last week?

05-03-2015, 06:16 PM	#152
Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	Sure seemed like he worked 90-92 the last couple years but he was in the 87-88 range today. His velocity looked shot. Maybe he can reshape himself into a groundball pitcher throwing everything down and getting his changeup to 70mph. I don't know. As he is right now, he a real POS on the mound.
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05-03-2015, 08:25 PM	#154
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	I'll just say that I will be more interested in Young's next start than I normally would be. Don't want to overreact to a few starts, but we're not playing for next year. We gotta have our best 5. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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05-03-2015, 08:26 PM	#155
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05-03-2015, 10:02 PM	#159
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1902500	Back end of the Yankees bullpen almost gave up a run tonight in another 4 hour game with the Red Sox. Andrew Miller loaded the bases but got out of it. Miller and Betances have pitched 28 IP with 0 ER and 48 K. It's gonna be a fun battle when we play them.
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05-03-2015, 10:24 PM	#161
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1902500	I'm sure the front office is all over it. Still, it's only 5 starts. It's a relatively small sample size. Vargas has only had 4 starts, that's not much either. One of the two needs to figure it out though. I've always been a big fan of Young, I think he can fill one of the spots just fine. But there's no guarantee we'll be able to fill the other spot until after the All Star Break, if we're lucky. Guthrie has been a 200 IP guy for us the last two years, and that doesn't include Shields 225 IP. That's a ton of work to replace.
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Great Expectations MVP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Joplin, MO Casino cash: $13602338	What's the word on Rios? Did he start rehabbing last week? __________________
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