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Old 11-19-2012, 01:20 PM   #1
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The rest of this season is going to be nothing but failure. You don't want to saddle your new GM with that stink.

The history of the NFL is littered with guys that failed because they inherited a bad situation.

The new guy needs to be able to make a clean break, in January.

Think with your head, not your heart.
If Pioli is fired today, you don't need to hire a new GM tomorrow. You can, however, start talking to candidates. Find out who may or may not be interested.

There is no upside to keeping Pioli. There is nothing he is going to contribute. You don't have to clean house until after the last game, but everyone in the front office and coaching staff will know they are out. That is just an added bonus for us, who among this staff is going to try to win when they know they won't have a job in January?
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:21 PM   #2
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If Pioli is fired today, you don't need to hire a new GM tomorrow. You can, however, start talking to candidates. Find out who may or may not be interested.

There is no upside to keeping Pioli. There is nothing he is going to contribute. You don't have to clean house until after the last game, but everyone in the front office and coaching staff will know they are out. That is just an added bonus for us, who among this staff is going to try to win when they know they won't have a job in January?
Like htis is saying, the whole place is structured around Pioli. When he goes, everyone goes.

Don't saddle the new GM with this shit show, just ride it out and end it when the season ends.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:25 PM   #3
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Like htis is saying, the whole place is structured around Pioli. When he goes, everyone goes.

Don't saddle the new GM with this shit show, just ride it out and end it when the season ends.
Bingo.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:28 PM   #4
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Like htis is saying, the whole place is structured around Pioli. When he goes, everyone goes.

Don't saddle the new GM with this shit show, just ride it out and end it when the season ends.
Read the post. Not saddling anyone with anything. Fire Pioli. START the search. PREPARE for change once the season is over. START rebuilding fan loyalty.

Who cares if everyone is Pioli's minions? Fire the asshole. Anyone who wants to walk is free to. We have 6 weeks. If the entire front office and scouting staff walk, who cares?

Hell, if the entire coaching staff walks, who cares? A bunch of shit throwing monkeys could coach as well as this staff.

None of them are going to because they want to get paid. We are in no worse position either way.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:32 PM   #5
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START the search. PREPARE for change once the season is over. START rebuilding fan loyalty.
You can do ALL of those things without firing Pioli.

Honestly, I don't give a shit what they do.

I just completely understand the prudence of being cautious and calculated. There's alot of preparation that can be done without touching Pioli's contract.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:24 PM   #6
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If Pioli is fired today, you don't need to hire a new GM tomorrow. You can, however, start talking to candidates. Find out who may or may not be interested.
You can talk to all of the candidates now. Firing (or keeping)
Pioli doesn't affect your ability to contact potential GMs at all.

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There is no upside to keeping Pioli. There is nothing he is going to contribute. You don't have to clean house until after the last game, but everyone in the front office and coaching staff will know they are out. That is just an added bonus for us, who among this staff is going to try to win when they know they won't have a job in January?
That sounds great in theory but has no basis in the real world.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:31 PM   #7
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You can talk to all of the candidates now. Firing (or keeping)
Pioli doesn't affect your ability to contact potential GMs at all.



That sounds great in theory but has no basis in the real world.
Holy shit you have your head so far up your ass it is amazing you can breathe and type.

A lot of candidates will not talk to the team because there is already a person in place. That is a basic principle that most professionals follow.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:34 PM   #8
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Holy shit you have your head so far up your ass it is amazing you can breathe and type.

A lot of candidates will not talk to the team because there is already a person in place. That is a basic principle that most professionals follow.


Cowher isn't going to refuse a call from Clark just because Pioli is still employed. Don't be naive.

And outside of Cowher and Gruden, he CANNOT TALK TO OTHER CANDIDATES until the season is over.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:44 PM   #9
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And outside of Cowher and Gruden, he CANNOT TALK TO OTHER CANDIDATES until the season is over.
Yeah, but we all know that this policy is subverted all of the time. While you might not be able to talk to a certain individual, you can talk to that individual's agent, etc.

As TTC stated yesterday, though, it's likely that Clark is completely lost on this thing, rocking in a corner, sobbing and sucking his thumb.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:46 PM   #10
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Yeah, but we all know that this policy is subverted all of the time. While you might not be able to talk to a certain individual, you can talk to that individual's agent, etc.

As TTC stated yesterday, though, it's likely that Clark is completely lost on this thing, rocking in a corner, sobbing and sucking his thumb.
All I'm saying is that, outside of placating the fans, firing Pioli now accomplishes nothing.

And to me, placating the fans takes a backseat to GETTING IT RIGHT. Get the right GM and the right coach and the fans are inherently placated by the WINNING.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:52 PM   #11
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All I'm saying is that, outside of placating the fans, firing Pioli now accomplishes nothing.

And to me, placating the fans takes a backseat to GETTING IT RIGHT. Get the right GM and the right coach and the fans are inherently placated by the WINNING.
We both want the same thing, but this fail train isn't stopping until it hits rock bottom, whether Pioli is the GM or not.

Thus, what would be the negative of firing him and promoting Farmer in an interim role? You don't have to kill Farmer in the process, a statement like this would suffice: "Ray Farmer, who has long been a valued man in our front office, will be our interim GM, but this position will be filled from someone outside the organization. We're going this direction not because Farmer is not qualified for the job--he is--but because I believe we need an outside perspective to get this great organization back to where it needs to be." /Hunt
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All I'm saying is that, outside of placating the fans, firing Pioli now accomplishes nothing.

And to me, placating the fans takes a backseat to GETTING IT RIGHT. Get the right GM and the right coach and the fans are inherently placated by the WINNING.
If Clark knows he is firing Pioli, having him around for another 6 weeks does absolutely no good. In fact it could cause an issue if Pioli realizes he is getting canned and tries to **** things up on the way out. Pioli has proven he is self centered,I doubt he will take his termination very well.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:19 PM   #13
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All I'm saying is that, outside of placating the fans, firing Pioli now accomplishes nothing.

And to me, placating the fans takes a backseat to GETTING IT RIGHT. Get the right GM and the right coach and the fans are inherently placated by the WINNING.
JMO but a lot of the fans want it now because they fear that if we were somehow win a couple of games and the SOC movement was to lose ground that Pioli might not get fired.
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A lot of candidates will not talk to the team because there is already a person in place. That is a basic principle that most professionals follow.
WTF?!?!

If he's contacting others for GM jobs, don't you think they can figure out who they'll be replacing?
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WTF?!?!

If he's contacting others for GM jobs, don't you think they can figure out who they'll be replacing?
You don't think that this FO realizes how ****ed they are?
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