Chiefs looking to Trade down

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by Frankie

He's not a position of need, and we could have made a killing in current and future draft picks trading down.

If Clowney was in this draft so would Teddy Bridewater and Johnny Football.

[DTLB58]

Originally Posted by Frankie

He's not a position of need, and we could have made a killing in current and future draft picks trading down.

But we don't draft for need, we draft for BPA.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by DTLB58

But we don't draft for need, we draft for BPA.

Don't laugh at ME on this. I am never an advocate of either philosophy being the gospel. I have always said, different years, different drafts dictate different strategy. Here's how I have always looked at it:

1- If you are an established team with no obvious holes ==> Draft BPA (maintenance mode)

2- If you are a totally starting from scratch team ==> Draft BPA

3- If you are a few positions away from being an established team ==> Draft for positions

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Don't laugh at ME on this. I am never an advocate of either philosophy being the gospel. I have always said, different years, different drafts dictate different strategy. Here's how I have always looked at it:

1- If you are an established team with no obvious holes ==> Draft BPA (maintenance mode)

2- If you are a totally starting from scratch team ==> Draft BPA

3- If you are a few positions away from being an established team ==> Draft for positions

1) If you have a starting QB, draft BPA.
2) If you don't have a starting QB, draft a QB.

That's it, end of story.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Don't laugh at ME on this. I am never an advocate of either philosophy being the gospel. I have always said, different years, different drafts dictate different strategy. Here's how I have always looked at it:

1- If you are an established team with no obvious holes ==> Draft BPA (maintenance mode)

2- If you are a totally starting from scratch team ==> Draft BPA

3- If you are a few positions away from being an established team ==> Draft for positions

All that goes to the wayside if you don't have a Franchise QB. If you have the 1st pick in the draft and you don't have the QB you indentify the best QB in the draft and draft him. This is what's killing me about Mayock. It's his philosophy but this year we should take a OT.

[Bewbies]

In the last 30 years, going back to the 1983 draft, the #1 pick has been traded:

1983 Bitchass Elway cries his way out of Indy. Obviously Indy lost big time.

1984 Pats traded 2 first rounders to get the #1 pick. Selected Irving Fryer. Bengals got Pete Koch and Brian Blados. Cincy loses.

2001 Chargers traded #1 pick to Falcons for Vick. Got LT and Brees. Didn't win shit. Falcons made the NFC title game, then Vick went to jail. Chargers lost.

2004 Chargers traded Eli for a shitload of pro-bowlers. Lost big time.

The point is when a team trades out of the top slot you get your ass handed to you. ALWAYS. There's a reason it doesn't happen very often.

But true fans like Frankie can convince themselves otherwise....

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

In the last 30 years, going back to the 1983 draft, the #1 pick has been traded:

1983 Bitchass Elway cries his way out of Indy. Obviously Indy lost big time.

1984 Pats traded 2 first rounders to get the #1 pick. Selected Irving Fryer. Bengals got Pete Koch and Brian Blados. Cincy loses.

2001 Chargers traded #1 pick to Falcons for Vick. Got LT and Brees. Didn't win shit. Falcons made the NFC title game, then Vick went to jail. Chargers lost.

2004 Chargers traded Eli for a shitload of pro-bowlers. Lost big time.

The point is when a team trades out of the top slot you get your ass handed to you. ALWAYS. There's a reason it doesn't happen very often.

But true fans like Frankie can convince themselves otherwise....

Beat me to it.

Teams that trade out of #1 get reamed.

Sounds like the PERFECT plan for the ****ing Chiefs.

I'm not sure I can even give them until the draft if they're this ****ing stupid.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

2001 Chargers traded #1 pick to Falcons for Vick. Got LT and Brees. Didn't win shit. Falcons made the NFC title game, then Vick went to jail. Chargers lost

Not really disagreeing with your overall point. just saying on this example, come on man. You're being a little disingenuous.

So the Chargers "didn't win shit" as in didn't win the SB. Lets not pretend like they would have with Vick.

They passed on an exciting but overrated, disappointing career QB and got a HOF RB and a great QB they either let go before his prime or couldn't figure out the magic formula (that Sean Payton did). But the point stands that they drafted another future HOF player with that next pick.

Just saying this is a bad example IMO for what you're tryinig to say. That trade was a home run for the Chargers.

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by suds79

Not really disagreeing with your overall point. just saying on this example, come on man. You're being a little disingenuous.

So the Chargers "didn't win shit" as in didn't win the SB. Lets not pretend like they would have with Vick.

They passed on an exciting but overrated, disappointing career QB and got a HOF RB and a great QB they either let go before his prime or couldn't figure out the magic formula (that Sean Payton did). But the point stands that they drafted another future HOF player with that next pick.

Just saying this is a bad example IMO for what you're tryinig to say. That trade was a home run for the Chargers.

The Falcons made it further than the Chargers ever did yes? Brees didn't win until he left for New Orleans.

The Falcons won this trade, even though it's the closest to even of all of them in the last 30 years.

[Rasputin]

What ever team that drafts Geno Smith with our #1 pick from trade is going be my favorite team.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

The Falcons made it further than the Chargers ever did yes? Brees didn't win until he left for New Orleans.

The Falcons won this trade, even though it's the closest to even of all of them in the last 30 years.

So so the mark now is just playoff wins? Okay.

The Chargers got to the AFC Championship game. Had several playoff runs. LT was a part of all that.

Michael Vick's crowning achievement was winning a playoff game in GB.

No matter how you shake it, the trade was effectively Michael Vick for two HOF players.

Your original point is still valid. You could still say it doesn't work out for that team with the #1 pick 90+% of the time. And that would be true. But this is not one of them. Just isn't.

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by suds79

So so the mark now is just playoff wins? Okay.

The Chargers got to the AFC Championship game. Had several playoff runs. LT was a part of all that.

Michael Vick's crowning achievement was winning a playoff game in GB.

No matter how you shake it, the trade was effectively Michael Vick for two HOF players.

Your original point is still valid. You could still say it doesn't work out for that team with the #1 pick 90+% of the time. And that would be true. But this is not one of them. Just isn't.

Brees didn't become a HOF player until he left. And that AFC title game came with Rivers at QB. Do you remember when the Falcons had the #1 pick again in 2004?

[PA Chiefs]

We aren't trading the pick, it won't happen the only way someone wants the pick is if Geno lights it up on his pro-day then it won't matter cause we will take him. With a deep draft like this one nobody is giving up picks unless they are blown away by a player and their is nobody close, in this draft all positions are fairly close but QB

[DTLB58]

The Chiefs would love to trade down.

This is probably the worst year in a long time to have the #1 overall pick. The team will make the pick and just look around the room at each other and shrug their shoulders like eh? What else were we gonna do? And the LT will bust and be released just like Jake Long is gonna be after 4 years.

Here is my Opinion. Reid would take Geno if it were his call. Dorsey/Clark won't let him.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by DTLB58

The Chiefs would love to trade down.

This is probably the worst year in a long time to have the #1 overall pick. The team will make the pick and just look around the room at each other and shrug their shoulders like eh? What else were we gonna do? And the LT will bust and be released just like Jake Long is gonna be after 4 years.

Here is my Opinion. Reid would take Geno if it were his call. Dorsey/Clark won't let him.

And that makes zero sense. ***** had Brady and Dorsey had Rogers. You would think these two guys would value the QB position as being the top priority fod sure but neither of them seem to. Just throw anyone out there BS.