The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Players who are a year off the board have exactly WHAT bearing on April 2013?
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Ive hated this wretched thread since its inception, and today's postings have done exactly jack AND shit in changing my opinion.
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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Exactly. He's certainly a better prospect than Tannehil, Locker, Gabbert, and others taken early in drafts.

How the hell does that make him a 2nd every other year? I don't get it. The "no Luck" hyperbole is an absolute ****ing joke. Seriously, NONE of the other guys taken were "Luck". Flacco wasn't Luck. Ryan wasn't Luck. Dalton wasn't Luck...and on and on and on.

[htismaqe]

How many QB prospects since 2000 actually WERE better than Geno, outside of Luck?

Let's throw in RG3 and Stafford.

Geno is a better prospect than Matt Ryan. He's a better prospect than Mark Sanchez.
He's a better prospect than Sam Bradford.

Upon further examination, the idea that Geno is better prospect than any other QB this century not named Luck isn't all that far-fetched.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many QB prospects since 2000 actually WERE better than Geno, outside of Luck?

Let's throw in RG3 and Stafford.

Geno is a better prospect than Matt Ryan. He's a better prospect than Mark Sanchez.
He's a better prospect than Sam Bradford.

Upon further examination, the idea that Geno is better prospect than any other QB this century not named Luck isn't all that far-fetched.

Don't forget Cam Newton.

One year of starting experience in college.
Gimmick playbook.
Awkward delivery, only adequate accuracy

These so-called draft experts from ESPN are acting like Cam was this QB that all teams should want to draft at #1 overall if they had the opportunity, but it wasn't like that at all. The Panthers were doing what a lot of teams said they shouldn't by picking Cam. Thankfully, the Panthers took him anyway, and appear to have been right. The Chiefs owe a lot to the Panthers and Redskins for making bold moves and being right when it comes to the draft's top QBs.

And the ESPN tards have the nerve to say GENO SMITH isn't worth the #1? No, not even that. He's not worth a FIRST ROUND PICK.

That is the kind of logic that drives me ****ing batty, and a reason why I get so heated up when I see it in mock drafts. I don't care if it's some douchebag with a blog in his mom's basement. It's flat-out ****ing wrong, and it needs to stop.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SNR

Don't forget Cam Newton.

One year of starting experience in college.
Gimmick playbook.
Awkward delivery, only adequate accuracy

These so-called draft experts from ESPN are acting like Cam was this QB that all teams should want to draft at #1 overall if they had the opportunity, but it wasn't like that at all. The Panthers were doing what a lot of teams said they shouldn't by picking Cam. Thankfully, the Panthers took him anyway, and appear to have been right. The Chiefs owe a lot to the Panthers and Redskins for making bold moves and being right when it comes to the draft's top QBs.

And the ESPN tards have the nerve to say GENO SMITH isn't worth the #1? No, not even that. He's not worth a FIRST ROUND PICK.

That is the kind of logic that drives me ****ing batty, and a reason why I get so heated up when I see it in mock drafts. I don't care if it's some douchebag with a blog in his mom's basement. It's flat-out ****ing wrong, and it needs to stop.

I didn't mention Cam Newton because for me, it's not debatable.

Geno absolutely is a better prospect than Cam Newton.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Geno is a better prospect than Matt Ryan.

I think this is highly debatable simply based on level of competition and the systems they played in.

It's not hard to separate Geno from guys like Sanchez. It gets muddled when you bring guys like Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler into it. Maybe if he had played in a pro-style, under-center offense his whole college career you could elevate him. But he didn't, so...you know.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

I think this is highly debatable simply based on level of competition and the systems they played in.

It's not hard to separate Geno from guys like Sanchez. It gets muddled when you bring guys like Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler into it. Maybe if he had played in a pro-style, under-center offense his whole college career you could elevate him. But he didn't, so...you know.

I said when Matt Ryan came out he was a glorified game manager and guess what? 5 years in and he's EXACTLY THAT.

Geno is a FAR superior prospect to Ryan. Whether or not he becomes a better NFL QB remains to be seen but he better be because Ryan is completely MEH.

And I'm not talking about Jay Cutler. He's a loser.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I said when Matt Ryan came out he was a glorified game manager and guess what? 5 years in and he's EXACTLY THAT.

Who set franchise passing records?

If Geno is as good as Matt Ryan I will be his biggest fan, because I love Matt Ryan.

But at this point you really can't say for sure that Geno can make the transition to playing under center full time. There are lots of similar prospects who couldn't do it.

I place Geno between Blaine Gabbert and Matt Ryan as a prospect. That's all I'm willing to do. That's more than enough for him to go #1 this year, so who cares?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Who set franchise passing records?

If Geno is as good as Matt Ryan I will be his biggest fan, because I love Matt Ryan.

Who has one of the deepest receiving corps in recent NFL history and a top 10 running game for almost all of his career?

The dude might as well be Chris Chandler.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

But at this point you really can't say for sure that Geno can make the transition to playing under center full time. There are lots of similar prospects who couldn't do it.

That's why he's still a PROSPECT.

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

I place Geno between Blaine Gabbert and Matt Ryan as a prospect. That's all I'm willing to do. That's more than enough for him to go #1 this year, so who cares?

Blaine Gabbert?

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Who set franchise passing records?

If Geno is as good as Matt Ryan I will be his biggest fan, because I love Matt Ryan.

But at this point you really can't say for sure that Geno can make the transition to playing under center full time. There are lots of similar prospects who couldn't do it.

I place Geno between Blaine Gabbert and Matt Ryan as a prospect. That's all I'm willing to do. That's more than enough for him to go #1 this year, so who cares?

I think placing Geno betwen Gabbert and Ryan is probably accurate.
Here is the top 5 winning QB's since 2008.
Joe Flacco 41 wins - 19 losses
Matt Ryan 40 wins - 18 losses
Aaron Rogers 39 wins - 20 losses
Tony Romo 27 wins - 20 losses
Eli Manning 26 wins - 24 losses

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

I think this is highly debatable simply based on level of competition and the systems they played in.

It's not hard to separate Geno from guys like Sanchez. It gets muddled when you bring guys like Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler into it.

Actually Cutler ceiling is what Geno seems to have. Nobody questions his passing talent, but we don't know shit about his head. He does strike me as possessing a Cutler type of head. Until that's shown to be wrong, I'll worry about picking him at the top of the draft.

Like many of us are saying, let the combine unfold before you tear each other up about Geno Smith.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Frankie

He does strike me as possessing a Cutler type of head.

There's so much evidence for this.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

There's so much evidence for this.

This is why I bang on Frankie.

He posts stupid shit that serve as clear evidence that has actually never watched Geno.