Manziel wins Heisman

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Comparing him to Tebow and Cam Newton and then saying thats the reason you gave him the Heisman is ridiculous. So it's about 4600 passing yards? I thought the Heisman was for the best player in all of college football. A quarterback on a 10-2 team is not the best player in college football. A quarterback who had one win against a top 10 team and that is only because his defense contributed an end game stand to secure the win. Basically the pundits are saying because he won against Alabama, and because he had more passing yards than Cam Newton and Tim Tebow... because we know Tim Tebow was a passing quarterback, that he deserves the Heisman.

I thought it should've gone to Teo. That is the guy who encompasses a leader and a student athlete in the truest sense of the word. I think it's funny how Colin Klein has a bad game or two and is suddenly out of it. Last night people kept saying "Don't forget about Colin Klein." Everyone it seems forgot about Colin Klein.

So what we've learned about the Heisman is:
If you have a concussion, and you have an off game or two, you're DQ'd.
If you have more passing yards than the guy who won it before you, your chances are really good.
If you have a win over an overrated team, comparative to years past, your in.
If you are a stand up guy, who led a defense, team, and college, back from obscurity... sorry, you're a defensive player, we only give the Heisman to QB's, RB's and WR's.

The Heisman isn't about best player on the best team. Or at least it shouldn't be. Best player, period.

Last year, Texas A&M was 6-6 with a first-round pick at QB. Everyone expected the Aggies to be in the 6-7 win range again this season, but because of Manziel's excellence, they won 10, knocked off No. 1 on the road, and cemented themselves as major players for the next 3 years, at least, on the national scene.

I was all for Colin Klein until he choked against Baylor, in what is now the biggest game in the history of his program. Yes, a bad game can disqualify someone from the Heisman. Yes, an injury can, too.

Teo was nowhere close to the dominant presence that a guy like Suh - who SHOULD have won the Heisman, IMO - was, and he was not deserving of the award. If he didn't play for Notre Dame, he wouldn't have even been on the list.

Hell, in 2007 William Moore had more tackles, sacks, interceptions, tackles for loss than Teo did this year...

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The Heisman isn't about best player on the best team. Or at least it shouldn't be. Best player, period.

Last year, Texas A&M was 6-6 with a first-round pick at QB. Everyone expected the Aggies to be in the 6-7 win range again this season, but because of Manziel's excellence, they won 10, knocked off No. 1 on the road, and cemented themselves as major players for the next 3 years, at least, on the national scene.

I was all for Colin Klein until he choked against Baylor, in what is now the biggest game in the history of his program. Yes, a bad game can disqualify someone from the Heisman. Yes, an injury can, too.

Teo was nowhere close to the dominant presence that a guy like Suh - who SHOULD have won the Heisman, IMO - was, and he was not deserving of the award. If he didn't play for Notre Dame, he wouldn't have even been on the list.

Hell, in 2007 William Moore had more tackles, sacks, interceptions, tackles for loss than Teo did this year...

It's really stupid to even try to compare a non pass rushing linebacker to a QB. There is no comparison. A linebacker can't have the impact and effect on wins/losses like a QB can.

Plus, nobody keeps stats of mistakes for linebackers like missed tackles, like we do INTs for QBs.

It's very difficult and even pointless to try and do a 1 to 1 comparison.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

It's really stupid to even try to compare a non pass rushing linebacker to a QB. There is no comparison. A linebacker can't have the impact and effect on wins/losses like a QB can.

Plus, nobody keeps stats of mistakes for linebackers like missed tackles, like we do INTs for QBs.

It's very difficult and even pointless to try and do a 1 to 1 comparison.

This. It's like saying the best defensive SS in the game prevents as many runs as the best pitcher in the game.