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Old 09-16-2018, 02:31 PM  
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**** BOB SUTTON
That's it.
You got major upgrades in the front seven. The corners were not the problem today. Guys running free underneath all ****ing day. NO PASS RUSH, rushing two and three guys and Steeler receivers STILL RUNNING FREE UNDERNEATH. Everytime we blitzed, we rushed the throw. Everytime we didn't, Roethlisberger had all ****ing day. No excuse to rush two and three against a HOF QB.

You got younger, and faster. It's not all on the players. It's the scheme. It leaves the defense on the field until they're gassed and give up the big play.

If the scheme is too complicated for your secondary to run, then CHANGE THE SCHEME.

You have an offense that can score at will. Play aggressive and make them match you big play for big play. blitz, pressure, force them to make a big play or a mistake. Sitting back in loose zones all day is NOT WORKING.

**** Sutton.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:55 PM   #181
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The holding was bad, but the secondary is atrocious...

But those are players who HAVE executed the things being asked of them.

My point is - it's not Sutton, or his scheme that is the culprit.

It's really the secondary who need to make better decisions in regards to :

Where they line up in re: to the LOS (sometimes, it's okay to back up to get the angle)

The angles they take.

QUIT BITING ON PLAY FAKES.

Basically, a lot of mental errors in the 2dary shooting the whole defense in the foot.

They CAN clean that shit up...a big part of why they brought Parker back (and why we miss Berry and Sorensen so badly) is that there are communication issues on the backend of the defense...and those issues can negate a decent pass rush.

Pass rush and coverage have to be symbiotic...but if there's confusion in the secondary, or a bad angle from the snap, a good QB can take advantage of that.

A future HOF QB will ALWAYS take advantage of that.
Well, I don't disagree those things are happening. Just that it's a failure of coaching and/or scheme if at this point nobody knows what the ****'s going on.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:59 PM   #182
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Well, I don't disagree those things are happening. Just that it's a failure of coaching and/or scheme if at this point nobody knows what the ****'s going on.
Nope, not coaching or scheme. Coaches can only do so much - when the play clock gets to 15 or something, the coaches headset gets cut off from the QB/MLB. Then it's on players to diagnose, communicate, and make the play.

Coaches stand on the sideline and hope everyone does their job the way they're supposed to...

The players know what they're supposed to do, they just don't do it.

Like they're not very good or something.

It's that simple.
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:12 PM   #183
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You know, Sutton CAN substitute Watts in for him. That's not illegal.
Looks like Watts was on the field a lot more today.

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Old 09-16-2018, 09:49 PM   #184
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Looks like Watts was on the field a lot more today.
Hell, in that 3-2-6 alignment he'd almost have to be out there...how many DBs were active today? We only have 8...Berry didn't dress...that leaves 7.
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Given the difference in talent levels, Sutton is doing a better job than Wade Phillips to me this season.
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Defense continues to improve week to week.

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I expect next week the pass rush tees off on Brady.
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Given the difference in talent levels, Sutton is doing a better job than Wade Phillips to me this season.
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I still can't get my arms around who's to blame. The defense is at its worst when we go into prevent. Usually to protect the lead. Is that Andy or Sutton? Today we did a good job staying aggressive on D all 4 quarters. What a surprise... A desperate offense makes a few mistakes when we push them around instead of sitting back.
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I still can't get my arms around who's to blame. The defense is at its worst when we go into prevent. Usually to protect the lead. Is that Andy or Sutton? Today we did a good job staying aggressive on D all 4 quarters. What a surprise... A desperate offense makes a few mistakes when we push them around instead of sitting back.
Hard to be aggressive without Houston, Jones and Ford.
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I still can't get my arms around who's to blame. The defense is at its worst when we go into prevent. Usually to protect the lead. Is that Andy or Sutton? Today we did a good job staying aggressive on D all 4 quarters. What a surprise... A desperate offense makes a few mistakes when we push them around instead of sitting back.
They played plenty of zone. You didn't see a problem because guys made more tackles but also more importantly because the pass rushers actually made plays today.

Saw it against Denver too. When Jones or Ford gets there, the whole defense works.

It is not, and never was, a scheme problem. Guys have to make plays.
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Once more, I shall attempt to inject some balance into this argument.

Firstly, the first quarter of the season is essentially an extended pre-season (on account of the CBA and NFL rules). This is compounded by the fact that we had so many pre-season injuries.

Secondly, this defense is getting better. If you watch the games closely, you can see the improvement almost on a series-by-series basis.

Thirdly, we are not exactly loaded with talent in the backend.

Fourthly, Ragland is not living up to his hype, I'm afraid. He's a liability when he's forced to cover. He's one guy who's not showing improvement in that category. Sadly, he's also having trouble shedding, maintaining his gaps, and finding the ball.

Fifthly, if you don't honestly believe that our d-line and rushers aren't being held, you aren't paying attention. It's happening on passes as well as rushes. Quite a bit, too.

Sutton is not the problem. Really never has been.

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I am saying we stayed aggressive today all 4 quarters. We didn't do that the first few weeks. Our defense didn't step off the gas today. We gave up points but we also got late turnovers.
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I am saying we stayed aggressive today all 4 quarters. We didn't do that the first few weeks. Our defense didn't step off the gas today. We gave up points but we also got late turnovers.
They played plenty of off zone today, just like always. The 4 down guys won their matchups. Plain and simple.
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They played plenty of off zone today, just like always. The 4 down guys won their matchups. Plain and simple.
Did they rush 3 any?
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