Talks with Eric Berry for extension 'ramping up'

[pugsnotdrugs19]

While #Panthers & #Broncos prepare for #SB50, teams doing business: #Chiefs ramping up talks with Eric Berry for an extension, for instance.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 3, 2016

Per Ian Rapoport.

To the few out there who think we don't need this guy for a good price, happy to see that the front office is of course on the right side.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If that's the case, then there's no way I'm paying him $10+ million per year.

Devin McCourty's deal averages $9m per year. He's only notched 4 INTs in the last three seasons combined and he's got nowhere near the non-coverage skills Berry has.

If Harrison Smith and Kam Chancellor were up for new contracts right now they'd be talking about getting $9-10 per. It's just what elite safeties are going for these days..

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

if alex smith was as good a qb as berry is a safety, we'd be playing in the superbowl

Which just goes to show how difficult it is to acquire a Hall of Fame Quarterback, which is what you and every other person that bitches about Alex Smith wants in the end.

A Franchise QB isn't good enough: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers - those are the guys that you and all the other people that constantly bitch about Alex Smith use as a comparison, which is pure nonsense but he's NOT, nor will he ever be, a Hall of Famer.

But good enough to win a Super Bowl? Absolutely.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

chiefs fans have always weirdly been ambivalent about good players and fall all over themselves about mediocre ones...

Perfect example: Pay Eric Berry whatever he wants and **** Alex Smith.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

just to be clear, the chiefs fan take on Berry is that for a multiple probowl, multiple all-pro....he's overrated, unlike those other multiple probowl, multiple all-pro safeties

or something

The Chiefs didn't lose 7 games in 2014 because of Eric Berry's absence.

Do you think the Chiefs would have won 9 games with anyone other than Smith at QB, especially since Bowe, Fasano, Avery and at times, Kelce, completely disappeared, along with the offensive line?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Devin McCourty's deal averages $9m per year. He's only notched 4 INTs in the last three seasons combined and he's got nowhere near the non-coverage skills Berry has.

If Harrison Smith and Kam Chancellor were up for new contracts right now they'd be talking about getting $9-10 per. It's just what elite safeties are going for these days..

That's fine. But my opinion is that I'd rather pay Poe and Howard over Berry.

I believe that elite defensive tackles are more important to the scheme than an elite safety.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's fine. But my opinion is that I'd rather pay Poe and Howard over Berry.

I believe that elite defensive tackles are more important to the scheme than an elite safety.

You're ok with paying Howard $10+ million a year?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's fine. But my opinion is that I'd rather pay Poe and Howard over Berry.

I believe that elite defensive tackles are more important to the scheme than an elite safety.

That's fair enough. I was just trying to point out the flaw in assuming a player isn't contributing enough because he doesn't have high INT totals.

Different position, but Sean Smith doesn't show up in box scores for shit. Dude can't catch a cold, but his contribution to this team is insane.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

He was All-Pro in 2013.

I'm aware.

Did you feel like he was a difference maker that year? It was his second best season, yes. And an improvement over where he'd been without question. But was he a $10 million player that year? I certainly don't think so. He played a great game in the unholy Terrell Pryor massacre and apart from that he was just kinda there (and everyone played a great game in the unholy Terrell Pryor massacre). Besides, guys aren't above AP consideration because of name recognition either.

This season was a cut above anything he'd done in the past and the first time he'd even gotten within sniffing distance of the rabbit he should be chasing - Earl Thomas.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

You're ok with paying Howard $10+ million a year?

I don't know what figure he'll command but if I'm choosing between Howard, Poe and Berry, I'm choosing Howard and Poe.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There's certainly a trade-off because while DJ has been a great linebacker, he's nearing the end of his career and Mauga, IMO, is still below average and Berry's ability in run support certainly "covers up" those deficiencies.

But all things being equal, I'd rather have Coleman at FS and two better than average, if not elite, ILBer's versus DJ, Mauga and Berry.

Coleman's only 1 year away from getting paid himself - having Coleman cheap for 1 season vs. Berry isn't going to change the team's long-term makeup, especially when it's age that will lead to DJ's demise, not money.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm aware.



Did you feel like he was a difference maker that year? It was his second best season, yes. And an improvement over where he'd been without question. But was he a $10 million player that year? I certainly don't think so. He played a great game in the unholy Terrell Pryor massacre and apart from that he was just kinda there (and everyone played a great game in the unholy Terrell Pryor massacre). Besides, guys aren't above AP consideration because of name recognition either.



This season was a cut above anything he'd done in the past and the first time he'd even gotten within sniffing distance of the rabbit he should be chasing - Earl Thomas.

Depends on what you consider a difference maker, I suppose.

I remember him spending a ton of time in the box and basically neutralizing the other team's TEs all season long. Going off memory alone, I can only remember him giving up a TD or two (I think they were both to Julius Thomas). Also, IIRC, he had more sacks and hurries than any other safety that season.

A lot of people would argue that a box safety could never be worth $10m per season though.

[Mother****erJones]

Berry absolutely makes impact plays. Look at the SD game as one in particular.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Coleman's only 1 year away from getting paid himself - having Coleman cheap for 1 season vs. Berry isn't going to change the team's long-term makeup, especially when it's age that will lead to DJ's demise, not money.

Well, now. He signed a two year deal with Carolina so he'll be 29 when he's up for free agency.

It would have been nice had Dorsey locked him up for three years but as fans, we can't expect him to hit 100% of the time.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's fine. But my opinion is that I'd rather pay Poe and Howard over Berry.

I believe that elite defensive tackles are more important to the scheme than an elite safety.

There are good DE's like Howard all over the league. Hell there's a draft coming up that has guys like him all over the first 3 rounds.

He had one good year, and a big reason why is Poe. You want to give a one year wonder a contract that is roughly $10m a year over a safety that is the leader of your team and has been an elite player for years?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RunKC

There are good DE's like Howard all over the league. Hell there's a draft coming up that has guys like him all over the first 3 rounds.

He had one good year, and a big reason why is Poe. You want to give a one year wonder a contract that is roughly $10m a year over a safety that is the leader of your team and has been an elite player for years?

First off, Howard isn't a "one year wonder". He's been an ascending player since joining the Chiefs and I advocated for him to get a deal before this season began.

Secondly, there are not "DT's all over the league" but if you're right (and I don't believe you are), he'll command closer to $6 million a year, not $10 million per year.

Thirdly, the DT's you speak of in the draft have never stepped on an NFL field. Glenn Dorsey was supposed to be dominant. What happened to him? Ryan Sims? The list is endless, at every position, of guys that are "supposed" to be great in the NFL, yet it rarely shakes out that way.

And lastly, for the third time, I believe that Poe & Howard are more important to this scheme than Berry. That doesn't mean that Berry "sucks", it means that at a time when the Chiefs are looking at a exodus of defensive starters facing free agency, Safety is the on the bottom rung of importance when compared to DT and CB.

[saphojunkie]

Poe shouldn't be a factor here. He's under contract through 2016, and the cap will continue to go up, so there's no reason the Chiefs can't re-sign Howard and Berry then address Poe next offseason.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Poe shouldn't be a factor here. He's under contract through 2016, and the cap will continue to go up, so there's no reason the Chiefs can't re-sign Howard and Berry then address Poe next offseason.

I'm not so sure.

The Chiefs have approximately $27 million in cap space, with Berry, Howard and Sean Smith "appearing" to need about $10 million per for just those players.

Toss in Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson and Mike DeVito and you're looking at around $10 million among the three.

The Chiefs also need to pursue offensive lineman and with Smith likely gone, a cornerback in the $6 million per range like Johnson or Lane.

Dorsey has a lot of difficult decisions to make.