Eric Fisher sucked against Denver. Proof inside!

[Hammock Parties]

On these 20 plays, he is not doing a good job. 20/75 is 27 percent. If your LT is sucking 27 percent of the time, he deserves a poor grade.

Let's go to the tape, homers! Suckage presented in chronological order. Gifs will load in post #2 and #3.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

As long as a guy turns out to be a solid, productive player, it doesn't matter where he's picked in the long run.

So you were a Chance Warmack guy, then?

Oh, that's right. You don't ever have any opinions. You just pose alternative solutions after the dust has settled.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by SNR

So you were a Chance Warmack guy, then?

Oh, that's right. You don't ever have any opinions. You just pose alternative solutions after the dust has settled.

Don't really care. I don't obsess over it really.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

Poe was a risky pick.

Ford was a risky pick.

Fisher wasn't a risky pick. He was a stupid pick.

I don't know anything about Joeckel. I refused to watch him play or read his scouting reports. I still don't care. I'm far from a "We should have drafted Joeckel!" guy.

Our team would still be 0-2 right now, and we still would have lost to the Colts last year in the playoffs.

Insanely stupid pick. But comparing him to joeckl... No doubt pick should have been Fisher. If Cp believes otherwise it is a massive flip flop.

[CoMoChief]

How did this guy become the #1 overall pick?

That's some of the worst blocking I've ever seen.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Don't really care. I don't obsess over it really.

You don't have to obsess over it.

You just have to say every once in awhile, "I think the Chiefs should do _____ because ______."

It's not hard. Try it some time.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

PFF. A company started by an Englishman who never played football at any level, had never seen a game live when he started the company, and who "hires" any jackass off the street who has enough time to spend hours looking at game tape.

Tell me something, dipshit. When you go in for your yearly Pap smear, do you get it done at your local porn shop? Because hey, they have seen a sloppy pussy on television.

If anyone is playing ChiefsPlanet Bingo, we've got our first "Never played football" of the thread here.

Oh, and by the way, the guy who runs that company is a strategist for the New York Giants.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...99781897959096


In 2009, the site came to the attention of the Giants' Mr. Berger, an executive of the team since the early 1980s. As director of information, Mr. Berger is the team's official wonk, entering every play by every NFL team into a database in search of trends and tendencies that might be useful for Giants coaches.

It was while "messing around on Google" that Mr. Berger came across Pro Football Focus, and one statistic in particular struck him: player participation. The site listed the number of times each player in the NFL participated in a play during a game. That is a statistic the NFL tracks and releases only to teams—never to the public.

Doubtful about the accuracy of Mr. Hornsby's data, Mr. Berger checked it against the NFL data set and found Pro Football Focus was nearly perfect. Impressed, Mr. Berger sent Mr. Hornsby a congratulatory note. Mr. Hornsby was so surprised he thought one of his friends had pulled a prank on him.

Today, the site provides customized data to five NFL teams, Mr. Hornsby says, as well as to sports agents seeking to bolster their players' arguments for fat paychecks. Mr. Hornsby won't say which teams or agents are paying for his data. But he says revenue is now great enough that he employs four analysts to help him study game footage, and 13 others to count how many downs each NFL athlete plays per game. He says he doesn't provide data to the Patriots.


The Giants are a nonpaying user of the site. That relationship deepened last August when Mr. Hornsby requested a visit with Mr. Berger. The timing could hardly have been worse: With the preseason shortened by a labor dispute, August was busier than usual for Mr. Berger. But he agreed to meet with Mr. Hornsby, blocking out a full hour on his calendar.

The meeting lasted seven hours. Stunned at the material Mr. Hornsby produced from his laptop, Mr. Berger says he was especially intrigued by data showing where individual players most often line up on the field, and how they perform against certain formations and opponents.

"It was really impressive," says Mr. Berger, calling Mr. Hornsby the first outsider ever to supply usable data to the Giants.

What most amazes Mr. Berger is that Mr. Hornsby gathers his data using the television footage available to everyone. That footage is highly limited compared with the proprietary film—known as All 22—that the NFL gathers at each game and makes available only to team officials.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

How did this guy become the #1 overall pick?

Shitty draft with no clear cut potential superstar playmakers
High measurables
Tackle is a high value position

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

How did this guy become the #1 overall pick?

That's some of the worst blocking I've ever seen.

Scouting Report:

Athleticism
+Athletic and lean 6’7″ frame with long arms.
+Plays light on his feet and shows the ability to slide laterally very well.
+Quick kick step able to stay in front of defender while maintaining balance.
+Fisher shows good flexibility for a player of his size, able to keep his knees bent and his hips down while engaged.
+Outstanding overall agility, quick feet and has the ability to recover from a misstep quickly.
+Well above average footspeed when pulling or in the open field.
+Consistently is in an athletic blocking position with a balanced lower half.
+Can mirror quicker defenders off the edge and is fast enough to get to the second level.
-Fisher can stand to add some more weight to his frame, but his slender frame hasn’t limited him at all.
-Fisher isn’t one of these freak athletes playing LT, he simply relies on his technique, instincts and positioning to win his battles.

Pass Blocking
+Fisher is a dominant pass blocker.
+It all starts with his first step, which leaves him in very good position to withstand the attacking DL.
+He always maintains a wide and balanced base with the ability to slide laterally very quickly.
+He uses his long arms well to keep the defender off of him and he has continually shown the ability to punch, slide and re-engage the defender.
+Understands hand placement and will battle hand to hand.
+Fisher moves quick enough to keep speed rushers in front of him and usually runs them by the QB.
+At the same time he has shown enough leverage that he is able to anchor pretty well vs. the bull-rush.
+Always keeps his shoulders square to the defender and doesn’t get caught overextending.
+Withstands counter moves very well due to his positioning, wide base and ability to mirror.
+Plays real light on his feet and never stops them, takes short choppy steps which really helps his mobility.
+Doesn’t panic and makes it look easy at times, he is quick enough to recover if beaten initially off the snap to at least ride his man out of the play.
+As a pass protector he plays with leverage, able to get his hands underneath the rusher and finishes his blocks.
+At the Senior Bowl he consistently “Pancaked” stronger DL by using their momentum and his leverage to get them off balance.
-Being over 6’7″ there are times Fisher gets too vertical after initial contact, against stronger bull-rushers in the NFL they may be able to get under him.
-Datone Jones was the only one to give him problems and it was when he used a speed to power move getting his hands into Fishers’ chest.

Run Blocking
+Fisher much like in pass protection is technically sound.
+Relies more on positioning and technique than power when run blocking.
+He comes off the ball quickly and with good initial pad level.
+He has shown good hand placement and gets his head across the chest of the DL which makes him easier to seal off.
+Maintains his blocks very well.
+Displays good initial pop at point of attack and doesn’t give up much ground.
+Keeps the same balanced and wide base that he does in pass protection.
+Lower leg drive is solid. Fisher is already a pretty good pulling LT. When pulling he shows good foot speed, flexibility and instincts.
+Knows his assignment and is able to pick them up on the move. Has the quickness to get to the second (or even third) level and get down low on smaller defenders.
+Blocks well in space due to his patience, positioning and ability to take good angles.
-Not a “road-grader” doesn’t maul defenders off the line and can be beat with power in the run game.
-When he allows his feet to get narrow he over extends himself and can be shed.
-I thought he could get better as a cut blocker, get his body into the legs and drive through before hitting the ground.

Technique
+Well coached and technically sound throughout.
+Keeps wide base and keeps his feet moving during the entire play.
+Has a very good kick step, allows himself to get in an athletic blocking position and gives the defender a “1 way go”.
+Uses his long arms well, understands proper hand placement.
+Maintains his blocks as long as any linemen, once he’s locked on he is usually able to keep defender close and mirror them.
+Has shown good flexibility and knee bend throughout career, but does “pop up” at times.
+Fisher has outstanding feet. He’s light on them, agile and has excellent laterally mobility.
+Doesn’t cross his feet and maintains very good balance.
+Shows the ability to understand where the blitz is coming from and picks it up.
+Combination blocks are solid and is able to come off them to pick up the free rusher.
+Has all the tools to be a very good Left Tackle in the NFL from day one.
-Biggest issue technique wise with Fisher is his occasional high pad level, but that’s expected from most 6’7″ tackles. When he keeps his pads down and shoots his hands he will win the battle.

Intangibles
+Has started games at either right or left tackle all four years at CMU.
+Fisher is an all-around smart player.Very well spoken in interviews.
+There aren’t many breakdowns in blocking assignments.
+Displayed a very good understanding the position and what was asked of him.
+Is the prototypical LT prospect but could play RT if he went to a team with a LT already in place.
+By all accounts he is a team leader and very hard worker off the field.
+Durability isn’t an issue, no major injuries, only missed two games during his career (2010 – knee).
+No off the field red flags.

Overview:
Eric Fisher is one of the elite Offensive Line prospects in the 2013 draft. His combination of technique, athleticism and size make him the prototypical NFL Left Tackle prospect. Fisher uses his a strong base and his long arms to control opposing pass rushers. He displays excellent lateral mobility, mirroring pass rushers and controlling them with strong hand usage. As a run blocker he moves very well. Fisher takes good angles and puts himself in the proper position to sustain his blocks.

Overall he is just a very sound OT prospect with not many holes in his game. He dominated all-comers at the Senior Bowl and was the consensus top prospect among scouts in Mobile. Unless something changes, Fisher looks like a top 15 pick in April’s draft and the #2 OT behind Texas A&M’s Luke Joeckel.

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/...ng-report.html

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I bet Chuck-E-Cheese writes a nice menu too.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If anyone is playing ChiefsPlanet Bingo, we've got our first "Never played football" of the thread here.

Oh, and by the way, the guy who runs that company is a strategist for the New York Giants.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...99781897959096


In 2009, the site came to the attention of the Giants' Mr. Berger, an executive of the team since the early 1980s. As director of information, Mr. Berger is the team's official wonk, entering every play by every NFL team into a database in search of trends and tendencies that might be useful for Giants coaches.

It was while "messing around on Google" that Mr. Berger came across Pro Football Focus, and one statistic in particular struck him: player participation. The site listed the number of times each player in the NFL participated in a play during a game. That is a statistic the NFL tracks and releases only to teams—never to the public.

Doubtful about the accuracy of Mr. Hornsby's data, Mr. Berger checked it against the NFL data set and found Pro Football Focus was nearly perfect. Impressed, Mr. Berger sent Mr. Hornsby a congratulatory note. Mr. Hornsby was so surprised he thought one of his friends had pulled a prank on him.

Today, the site provides customized data to five NFL teams, Mr. Hornsby says, as well as to sports agents seeking to bolster their players' arguments for fat paychecks. Mr. Hornsby won't say which teams or agents are paying for his data. But he says revenue is now great enough that he employs four analysts to help him study game footage, and 13 others to count how many downs each NFL athlete plays per game. He says he doesn't provide data to the Patriots.


The Giants are a nonpaying user of the site. That relationship deepened last August when Mr. Hornsby requested a visit with Mr. Berger. The timing could hardly have been worse: With the preseason shortened by a labor dispute, August was busier than usual for Mr. Berger. But he agreed to meet with Mr. Hornsby, blocking out a full hour on his calendar.

The meeting lasted seven hours. Stunned at the material Mr. Hornsby produced from his laptop, Mr. Berger says he was especially intrigued by data showing where individual players most often line up on the field, and how they perform against certain formations and opponents.

"It was really impressive," says Mr. Berger, calling Mr. Hornsby the first outsider ever to supply usable data to the Giants.

What most amazes Mr. Berger is that Mr. Hornsby gathers his data using the television footage available to everyone. That footage is highly limited compared with the proprietary film—known as All 22—that the NFL gathers at each game and makes available only to team officials.

Holy shit. You mean they can actually count who is on the field and for how many plays? NO ****ING WAY!!! They could also tell you where they lined up?AMAZING!!!!

We should trust their analysis of the intricacies of the game. That would be like letting an eighth grader design a spacecraft because he was able to pass Algebra.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Wow some idiot in a front office was shocked by the data available online...sounds like a moneyball part 2. Lame.

[Iconic]

Clay deserves his own shrine outside of Arrowhead.

TYBasedClay.

[L.A. Chieffan]

He destroyed the top talent at the Senior Bowl and made the combine his bitch. The dude is a stud

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Holy shit. You mean they can actually count who is on the field and for how many plays? NO ****ING WAY!!! They could also tell you where they lined up?AMAZING!!!!

We should trust their analysis of the intricacies of the game. That would be like letting an eighth grader design a spacecraft because he was able to pass Algebra.

They used to confess to a 20% error rate (what it actually was, nobody knows), on things other than the counting work. That page has either been moved, or removed, and has been missing for years. The FAQ now claims a 99% accuracy rate on participation (snap count), but doesn't offer any error rate for grading, likely because even they know that their formula work is complete horse shit. It's a shit site, and when you see someone quoting it for anything but the basics like snaps taken, you know that they're either football illiterate, or lazy.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If anyone is playing ChiefsPlanet Bingo, we've got our first "Never played football" of the thread here.

Oh, and by the way, the guy who runs that company is a strategist for the New York Giants.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...99781897959096


In 2009, the site came to the attention of the Giants' Mr. Berger, an executive of the team since the early 1980s. As director of information, Mr. Berger is the team's official wonk, entering every play by every NFL team into a database in search of trends and tendencies that might be useful for Giants coaches.

It was while "messing around on Google" that Mr. Berger came across Pro Football Focus, and one statistic in particular struck him: player participation. The site listed the number of times each player in the NFL participated in a play during a game. That is a statistic the NFL tracks and releases only to teams—never to the public.

Doubtful about the accuracy of Mr. Hornsby's data, Mr. Berger checked it against the NFL data set and found Pro Football Focus was nearly perfect. Impressed, Mr. Berger sent Mr. Hornsby a congratulatory note. Mr. Hornsby was so surprised he thought one of his friends had pulled a prank on him.

Today, the site provides customized data to five NFL teams, Mr. Hornsby says, as well as to sports agents seeking to bolster their players' arguments for fat paychecks. Mr. Hornsby won't say which teams or agents are paying for his data. But he says revenue is now great enough that he employs four analysts to help him study game footage, and 13 others to count how many downs each NFL athlete plays per game. He says he doesn't provide data to the Patriots.


The Giants are a nonpaying user of the site. That relationship deepened last August when Mr. Hornsby requested a visit with Mr. Berger. The timing could hardly have been worse: With the preseason shortened by a labor dispute, August was busier than usual for Mr. Berger. But he agreed to meet with Mr. Hornsby, blocking out a full hour on his calendar.

The meeting lasted seven hours. Stunned at the material Mr. Hornsby produced from his laptop, Mr. Berger says he was especially intrigued by data showing where individual players most often line up on the field, and how they perform against certain formations and opponents.

"It was really impressive," says Mr. Berger, calling Mr. Hornsby the first outsider ever to supply usable data to the Giants.

What most amazes Mr. Berger is that Mr. Hornsby gathers his data using the television footage available to everyone. That footage is highly limited compared with the proprietary film—known as All 22—that the NFL gathers at each game and makes available only to team officials.

Do you believe Jamaal Charles was one of the top 100 players in the NFL in 2012? PFF doesn't.

That's the site you're defending.