***RYAN NASSIB***

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by RunKC

IMO Nassib has all the same tools as Barkley, but he has a much higher ceiling because Barkley is a finished product while Nassib can get much better in the NFL.

i don't agree, i think barkley is FAR more fundamentally sound and therefor have a higher ceiling. I think they both could end up game managers but barkley's ceiling being that of matt ryan where nassib would be that of schaub.

[KCrockaholic]

Something I tried to use last night when attempting to find a common denominator when looking at QB's. The top 10 QB's in accuracy % of passes on 20 yards in 2012:

Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Cam Newton
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Matt Ryan
Tannehill
Stafford
Luck
Eli Manning

Some pretty good QB's there.

While the bottom 5 include

Ponder
Fitzpatrick
Weeden
Palmer
Big Ben (Bit of a surprise) but after Ben we have Gabbert, Dalton, Vick, Sanchez, Cassel

According to secondroundstats Nassib has the highest deep ball %. I'm trying to check those numbers and see where they're coming from.

[fairladyZ]

barkley was 58.38% on passes 20+ yards
nassib was 62.50%

wonder how that stakes up against the NFL QB's

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

barkley was 58.38% on passes 20+ yards
nassib was 62.50%

wonder how that stakes up against the NFL QB's

The best % last year was 60% by Kap but on only 33 throws.

If you want a larger sample size, and I left Kap out of my list... Aaron Rodgers was 53% on throws of 20 or more. Best in the league in that category if we exclude Kap.

So my question, and what I'm trying to figure out is if a % of 60 in the Big East or in the Pac 12 = a % of 40 or more in the NFL. Cause the guys with 40 or better in the NFL are the ones that seem to be near the top of their game.

Anyways just started watching Nassib vs USC.

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

The best % last year was 60% by Kap but on only 33 throws.

If you want a larger sample size, and I left Kap out of my list... Aaron Rodgers was 53% on throws of 20 or more. Best in the league in that category if we exclude Kap.

So my question, and what I'm trying to figure out is if a % of 60 in the Big East or in the Pac 12 = a % of 40 or more in the NFL. Cause the guys with 40 or better in the NFL are the ones that seem to be near the top of their game.

Anyways just started watching Nassib vs USC.

Have fun :/

[fairladyZ]

nice not to shabby then, i'm sure if you scewed the stats for the NFL being more difficult and the windows for deep balls smaller i'd say barkley and nassib would both be in the low 50% high 40% range. I'd take it especially since they both went 20+ yards a decent amount

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

nice not to shabby then, i'm sure if you scewed the stats for the NFL being more difficult and the windows for deep balls smaller i'd say barkley and nassib would both be in the low 50% high 40% range. I'd take it especially since they both went 20+ yards a decent amount

You're leaning on stats a little too much there...

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by silver5liter

You're leaning on stats a little too much there...

ya but it's hard to determine how one area of any prospects game will translate to NFL. THe players are faster, windows are tighter and close quicker. just being generous saying those opportunities will be more limited and broken up more. Like i said i haven't seen much of nassib but i think barkley's game will translate perfect to NFL especially if put in the right system. which just so happens to be our system.

[KCrockaholic]

I'll say this about Nassib. He will throw a TON of interceptions in the NFL. If he thinks he can squeeze in some of these throws in the NCAA, He's got a rude awakening. I was hoping to see something special out of him. And I see a few nice things. Just plenty of negatives. I'd be cautious with drafting him. Not worth a 1st at all IMO. Maybe a 2nd. Almost done on him though as far as game tape goes.

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

I'll say this about Nassib. He will throw a TON of interceptions in the NFL. If he thinks he can squeeze in some of these throws in the NCAA, He's got a rude awakening. I was hoping to see something special out of him. And I see a few nice things. Just plenty of negatives. I'd be cautious with drafting him. Not worth a 1st at all IMO. Maybe a 2nd. Almost done on him though as far as game tape goes.

Lol, thats what i was saying. I see nothing special about him. Those interceptions in that game are disturbing..

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

I'll say this about Nassib. He will throw a TON of interceptions in the NFL. If he thinks he can squeeze in some of these throws in the NCAA, He's got a rude awakening. I was hoping to see something special out of him. And I see a few nice things. Just plenty of negatives. I'd be cautious with drafting him. Not worth a 1st at all IMO. Maybe a 2nd. Almost done on him though as far as game tape goes.

Couldn't you say the same about Geno and Barkley? Didn't Geno throw into double coverage more than anyone by far?

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Couldn't you say the same about Geno and Barkley? Didn't Geno throw into double coverage more than anyone by far?

Ball placement is key. I dont see the kind of ball placement and accuracy Geno has in Nassib

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by silver5liter

Ball placement is key. I dont see the kind of ball placement and accuracy Geno has in Nassib

I agree. Nassib doesn't have the touch either. That's his biggest weakness.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Couldn't you say the same about Geno and Barkley? Didn't Geno throw into double coverage more than anyone by far?

Originally Posted by silver5liter

Ball placement is key. I dont see the kind of ball placement and accuracy Geno has in Nassib

Stole the words outta my mouth.

[silver5liter]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Stole the words outta my mouth.

I might be a Geno homer but I do my research on them all. haha