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Old 04-06-2017, 11:27 AM  
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:36 PM   #2611
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Well, KU couldn't beat Washington. Who the predictive metrics show are very comparable overall.
Why talk about early season losses and then discount Penn early season losses?

Not you specifically, but I've seen it.
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:37 PM   #2612
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:45 PM   #2613
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An Ivy league school beat Baylor two years ago in the 1st round. Some future NBA players on that team too. They're all still college basketball players in the end, their level isn't THAT far apart.
That's a shaky comparison:

Record: Yale, 22-6, 13-1 Ivy 1 seed; Penn: 24-8, 12-2; Ivy 3 seed

NCAA Site: Yale, New Haven , CN (2 hrs away); Penn, Wichita KS, half a country away

Seed: Yale, 12; Penn, 16

Opponent Coach: Yale, Scott Drew; Penn, Bill Self

Do I really need to go on?
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Old 03-14-2018, 04:50 PM   #2614
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Why talk about early season losses and then discount Penn early season losses?

Not you specifically, but I've seen it.
Hey, college basketball games are black and white. Washington is better than KU, deal with it.
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:20 PM   #2615
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It would be hard to put less effort into breaking Syracuse's zone than what ASU is doing on offense right now, while still crossing half court on each possession.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:02 PM   #2616
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If Kansas gets there, who is their most likely Sweet 16 opponent?
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:26 PM   #2617
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Few teams emphasize this as much as Penn. In fact, according to advanced metrics from Frank Dehel at DribbleHandoff.com, Penn’s offense ranks first out of the 68 NCAA Tournament teams when it comes to percentage of twos that come in the paint (as opposed to midrange), and seventh-best defensively when it comes to forcing midrange attempts on twos.
Penn is just so good analytically. One of the best coached and disciplined teams in the NCAA.

This is trouble.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:30 PM   #2618
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538.com : Penn is the best #16 in tourney history. Can they pull the upset?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...reatest-upset/

For starters, Penn is a lot better than the usual No. 16 seed. According to our Elo ratings — which measure a team’s strength based on (among other factors) who it’s beaten and by how much — the Quakers rank 76th in the country, with an even 1700 rating. How good is that? By definition, the typical D-I team rates around 1500, and since they first became a thing in 1985 (excluding this season), No. 16 seeds have had an average Elo rating of 1483.1 Before Penn this year, the highest-rated No. 16 seed of all time was Portland State, which carried a 1698 rating heading into the 2008 tournament. (It ended up losing, to Kansas of all teams, by 24.) Penn is officially the first No. 16 seed ever to break the 1700 barrier in Elo:
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According to Elo, the 285-point gap between the Quakers and Jayhawks is the smallest for any 1-vs-16 game in tournament history.
Is anybody still in denial about the threat that this particular 16 poses? About the potential for the first #16 upset ever? Like I said from the very beginning...KU is at risk here.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:32 PM   #2619
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I understand how "good" Penn is compared to other 16-seeds, historically.

That being said, if you can't beat an Ivy League team, you don't belong in the Dance.
Oh KU can beat Penn. They're just likely to only do it about 85-90% of the time. We just have to hope tomorrow isn't the 10 to 15%.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:33 PM   #2620
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If Kansas gets there, who is their most likely Sweet 16 opponent?
Auburn. Not a particularly good #4 seed.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:34 PM   #2621
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That's a shaky comparison:

Record: Yale, 22-6, 13-1 Ivy 1 seed; Penn: 24-8, 12-2; Ivy 3 seed

NCAA Site: Yale, New Haven , CN (2 hrs away); Penn, Wichita KS, half a country away

Seed: Yale, 12; Penn, 16

Opponent Coach: Yale, Scott Drew; Penn, Bill Self

Do I really need to go on?
Not saying that the Yale team that beat Baylor is better than this Penn team. The point was that Ivy league athletes are more than capable of playing NBA athletes and coming out on top. The difference isn't so significant that they'll be able to just bully their way through them.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:35 PM   #2622
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Penn is just so good analytically. One of the best coached and disciplined teams in the NCAA.

This is trouble.
Devonte and Maliks shot selection sometimes scare me. I imagine Penn is just going to defend us in a way that gives up an open long jump shot. We better make them.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:38 PM   #2623
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Auburn. Not a particularly good #4 seed.
Quite frankly, I think Id rather KU play Auburn or Clemson compared to NC State & Seton Hall. I believe Auburn has some injured guys and Clemson has one too
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:45 PM   #2624
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Is anybody still in denial about the threat that this particular 16 poses? About the potential for the first #16 upset ever? Like I said from the very beginning...KU is at risk here.
Good gracious did you really post this?


538 gives KU a 95% chance to win, a 32% chance to win the regional (higher than Dook or Mich St), and the 4th best odds to win it all. You can't be citing them as proof of your "point".

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