Chiefs Dontari Poe will miss camp due to back injury - Page 16

RunKC · 07-28-2015, 02:20 PM

@DannyParkins: Dontari Poe will miss training camp. #Chiefs

@ChiefsReporter: Dontari Poe will be resting until after #ChiefsCamp. Won't participate in team practices.

@pgsween: #Chiefs DT Dontari Poe had a herniated disk in his back and had successful surgery on July 15. He is doing great & will be up to camp Fri.

ThaVirus · 07-30-2015, 01:30 PM

If Peyton sees a front 6 consisting of Ford-Devito-Howard-Houston backed up by DJ and Branch, he's going to check to a run and gash us for 6-8 yards per carry.

And if we cheat up Berry/Abdullah/Parker into the box for support, he'll check to a pass and burn our rookie CBs.

It'll be a bloodbath.

staylor26 · 07-30-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Your rose-colored glasses are extra rosey this evening.

You're essentially talking about replacing 345 lbs of man-child with 305 lbs of meh and saying we'll be no worse for wear.

Did you read? I clearly was saying this is a formation we can use in situations like 2nd & long. I still believe we have to have Bailey/Howard/DeVito, Bailey/Howard/Cat, and Bailey/DeVito/Cat in our base 3/4.

ThaVirus · 07-30-2015, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Did you read? I clearly was saying this is a formation we can use in situations like 2nd & long. I still believe we have to have Bailey/Howard/DeVito, Bailey/Howard/Cat, and Bailey/DeVito/Cat in our base 3/4.

No offensive coordinator in the league, except, coincidentally, our own maybe, is going to throw out running plays on 2nd and 8.

2nd and 8 is just as run-friendly as 2nd and 6 or 2nd and 4. Most guys are going to try to make 3rd down more manageable.

ThaVirus · 07-30-2015, 01:51 PM

Here's the deal: we had a great pass defense last season and our run defense left a lot to be desired. Yes, our run defense took hits with three of our best run defenders missing most of the season and we run nickel formations more than most any team in the league..

But when you lose your 345 lbs plug, you don't run more light formations to compensate.

staylor26 · 07-30-2015, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

No offensive coordinator in the league, except, coincidentally, our own maybe, is going to throw out running plays on 2nd and 8.

2nd and 8 is just as run-friendly as 2nd and 6 or 2nd and 4. Most guys are going to try to make 3rd down more manageable.

I understand that but the formation I was talking about can stop the run in that situation (the point is to dare them to) This is the formation I was talking about now that I have a minute:

Gaines, Houston, Bailey, Howard/DeVito, Hali, Smith/Peters

Branch/Berry, Mauga/Wilson, DJ

Abdullah(on the slot if necessary)

Parker

RunKC · 07-30-2015, 02:24 PM

It's gonna hurt losing Poe. It will also help having a top 10 run stuffer from 2013 back along with DJ and Branch.

I just hope we can fundamentally tackle when we play them bc last time we couldn't tackle to save our lives. Gaines, Coleman, both ILB's missed tackles all game long.

Aspengc8 · 07-30-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I understand that but the formation I was talking about can stop the run in that situation (the point is to dare them to) This is the formation I was talking about now that I have a minute:

Gaines, Houston, Bailey, Howard/DeVito, Hali, Smith/Peters

Branch/Berry, Mauga/Wilson, DJ

Abdullah(on the slot if necessary)

Parker

Berry/Branch & DJ are not 4-3 OLB's, and in case you missed last season, Mauga cannot get off a block. DeVito coming off injury, and Bailey not much of a 3 tech beef.. I dunno man. I dont see many double teams required there which mean mauga/DJ/Berry will be fighting off lineman all day. DJ made a LIVING knifing through because good 1/0 techs require a double team.

Only positive I can see is I like Houston & Tamba/Ford as a wide 9 DE. Much rather play a odd front with them though.

Just my $.02

staylor26 · 07-30-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Berry/Branch & DJ are not 4-3 OLB's, and in case you missed last season, Mauga cannot get off a block. DeVito coming off injury, and Bailey not much of a 3 tech beef.. I dunno man. I dont see many double teams required there which mean mauga/DJ/Berry will be fighting off lineman all day. DJ made a LIVING knifing through because good 1/0 techs require a double team.

Only positive I can see is I like Houston & Tamba/Ford as a wide 9 DE. Much rather play a odd front with them though.

Just my $.02

For the 100th time this is not a base formation. Just situational. I would never expect Berry/Branch to play OLB for more than a few snaps. Devito/Howard would still be lining up at NT. Also, DJ played 4-3 OLB for half of his career.

staylor26 · 07-30-2015, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

It's gonna hurt losing Poe. It will also help having a top 10 run stuffer from 2013 back along with DJ and Branch.

I just hope we can fundamentally tackle when we play them bc last time we couldn't tackle to save our lives. Gaines, Coleman, both ILB's missed tackles all game long.

DeVito was top 10 on PFF in 2013?

Aspengc8 · 07-30-2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

For the 100th time this is not a base formation. Just situational. I would never expect Berry/Branch to play OLB for more than a few snaps. Devito/Howard would still be lining up at NT. Also, DJ played 4-3 OLB for half of his career.

yeah im late to the party. Im not reading 16 pages.

I'd rather have catapano @ DE and have houston on the line in some sort of over front. I'd rather walk berry into the box as a 8th than have him in as the 7th. Only way I'd take your scenario is as a sub package when the O is showing 311 or posse personnel.

RunKC · 07-31-2015, 04:04 PM

@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014

Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:

6'1" 323 lbs
10 5/8 hands (damn)
5.18 40 yd dash
36 bench press reps

Very strong dude

**RealSNR** · 08-01-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014

Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:

6'1" 323 lbs

10 5/8 hands (damn)

5.18 40 yd dash

36 bench press reps

Very strong dude

Put up the DJ's Left Nut signal!

KChiefs1 · 08-01-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Red Bryant

Yes

KChiefs1 · 08-01-2015, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014

Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:

6'1" 323 lbs

10 5/8 hands (damn)

5.18 40 yd dash

36 bench press reps

Very strong dude

Practice squad guy? Really?

Red Dawg · 08-01-2015, 06:03 PM

Losing Poe sucks. He won't play until October.

07-28-2015, 02:20 PM
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07-30-2015, 01:30 PM	#226
ThaVirus You gotta kill a few people Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $1852369	Dontari Poe will miss camp due to back injury If Peyton sees a front 6 consisting of Ford-Devito-Howard-Houston backed up by DJ and Branch, he's going to check to a run and gash us for 6-8 yards per carry. And if we cheat up Berry/Abdullah/Parker into the box for support, he'll check to a pass and burn our rookie CBs. It'll be a bloodbath.
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07-30-2015, 01:51 PM	#229
ThaVirus You gotta kill a few people Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $1852369	Dontari Poe will miss camp due to back injury Here's the deal: we had a great pass defense last season and our run defense left a lot to be desired. Yes, our run defense took hits with three of our best run defenders missing most of the season and we run nickel formations more than most any team in the league.. But when you lose your 345 lbs plug, you don't run more light formations to compensate.
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07-30-2015, 02:24 PM	#231
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2019611	It's gonna hurt losing Poe. It will also help having a top 10 run stuffer from 2013 back along with DJ and Branch. I just hope we can fundamentally tackle when we play them bc last time we couldn't tackle to save our lives. Gaines, Coleman, both ILB's missed tackles all game long. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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07-31-2015, 04:04 PM	#236
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2019611	@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014 Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine: 6'1" 323 lbs 10 5/8 hands (damn) 5.18 40 yd dash 36 bench press reps Very strong dude __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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08-01-2015, 06:03 PM	#240
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4602858	Losing Poe sucks. He won't play until October. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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