Jabril Peppers tests positive

[Mr. Laz]

for diluted sample

Jabrill Peppers tests positive for a dilute sample

Posted by Darin Gantt on April 24, 2017, 2:06 PM EDT

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NFL teams now have more questions about Jabrill Peppers than what position he’ll play.

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Michigan hybrid safety tested positive for a dilute sample at the Scouting Combine.

And just like Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster, Peppers got out in front of the news by claiming he was overly hydrated in a statement sent out by his agency CAA.

“Peppers went to the combine, the statement read. “He was sick after flying there from San Diego. He has a history of cramping. Peppers was being pumped with fluids, drinking 8-10 bottles of water before he went to bed, because he was the first guy to work out two days for the LBs and DBs. He had to go through that first day, come back on second day, and that was the fear. So Peppers was pounding water and under the weather. He never failed a drug test in his life, nor tested positive before for any substance.”

While that’s very possibly true, it’s also irrelevant in the context of the NFL’s testing program, which treats dilute samples as failed tests.

To what degree it impacts his draft stock remains to be seen.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Jesus, I should've known this was a Laz post.

Still ****ing that "Eric Berry is a Free Safety" chicken, eh?

You're just militantly stupid. Oh well, I guess it's a step up from "Eric Berry is an OLB"...so that's progress.

stupid ****s always changing their stance to suit the current argument.

When it was time to talk about giving Berry a huge contract, he was a free safety and a great leader!!

When it's time to talk draft, Berry is a strong safety we don't need one.


2-3 years ago, the Chiefs saw how much Berry was going to want for his new contract so they knew he needed to play some free safety. He showed some signs of being able to play FS so they tagged him a few times to make sure. Last year Berry took some real steps at FS so the Chiefs gave him his big contract.

FS- Berry
Slot CB - Parker
SS- Sorenson

With Parker in the box and Sorenson roaming, it took 2 guys to replace Berry.

Our run defense still took a hit because DJ and Bailey got hurt and Berry was further off the LoS.


Of course then there is chuckle-head Stainer coming along and supporting anyone who he thinks will be his friend.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It is so blatantly wrong and reeruned I'm honestly embarrassed for the man

I'm just excited that it's infected the main board now.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You keep saying this.

You're wrong.

Steven Nelson was our slot corner with Sorenson coming on the field to play box safety. Ron Parker stayed in single-high.

Gaines got hurt

Towards the end, Mitchell started showing something which let Nelson start playing inside

[TLO]

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

No other part of our legal system are you guilty till proven innocent like drug tests.

I get you, but this has no connection to our legal system.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Gaines got hurt

Towards the end, Mitchell started showing something which let Nelson start playing inside

And?

Gaines was the starter until week 9 and Mitchell was the starter by Week 13. In the first 9 weeks, Gaines missed parts of 4 games.

Week 4 - He got hurt and missed all of the Pitt game. Nelson moved out wide and White, who had 6 snaps all season to that point, took over and collected 30 snaps from Nelson's original slot role.

Week 6 - Gaines tried to come back after the bye and got hurt in the game. Again Nelson moved wide, White took over and played 37 snaps.

Week 7 - Gaines still out, Nelson out wide, White got 60 defensive snaps.

Against Indy and Jax, Gaines was back and in those games, White saw all of 3 defensive snaps combined. He was clearly the slot CB when we were trying to whether those injuries and the plummeting playing time with a healthy secondary absolutely confirms that.

Gaines got hurt again against Carolina in week 10 so we went with Kenneth Acker taking over in the 2nd half and left Nelson in the slot. Acker got 27 defensive snaps after getting zero to that point.

Week 11 had Gaines back but now Peters hurt. Nelson STAYED in the slot while Acker got 74 defensive snaps. They put Gaines and Acker out wide with Nelson in primary slot duty. They most assuredly did not just make Parker a damn slot corner.

Week 12 against Denver was another all-hands effort as Acker got 38 snaps. But wait, how's that possible? Gaines was back in his starter spot as was Peters? Oh, that's right - Nelson was out. And Acker took over as the primary NCB. No, they did not slide Parker down.

The following week against Houston had Nelson back with Peters. Mitchell was given Acker's snaps given Acker's struggles. He excelled and by week 14 he and Nelson were splitting duties; swapping slot and wide as the formations dictated but Mitchell was essentially a full-time starter and we were back to our preferred and most effective rotations with Nelson in the slot, Parker at single-high, Berry at SS.

Even when injuries FORCED the Chiefs to mix up coverages, they moved heaven and earth to find other options at NCB/Slot. That's how they stumbled into Mitchell in the first damn place.

You are absolutely reeruned. Even if you were RIGHT, trying to argue that injuries forced Parker into a different role does not have anything at all to do with how the Chiefs were trying to use him. But the bigger problem is that you're just not ****ing right. At all. Even a little bit.

Parker was the damn single-high and Berry played 'strong safety' for lack of a better word. He was not the friggen free safety. Parker wasn't a primary slot CB (though he was there on rare occasions) and he damn sure wasn't a strong safety.

Please, keep infecting the rest of the board with this goddamn idiocy that got in your head in the draft sub-forum. You're really covering yourself in glory here.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Gaines got hurt

Towards the end, Mitchell started showing something which let Nelson start playing inside

Nelson was the slot corner almost all year and was rated (pff) as one of the best NBs in football playing that role.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Nelson was the slot corner almost all year and was rated (pff) as one of the best NBs in football playing that role.

Laz might know this if he actually watched football.

Instead, he's just a ****ing idiot.

Laz: Always wrong - never in doubt.

[KCrockaholic]

You guys do know that Berry can, and has, and will play both FS and SS? It just depends on the situation of the game, and how Sutton wants to use the safeties. Nobody should be acting like Berry is a set in stone FS/SS when he does both all the time. It's an ignorant argument. And if Peppers WAS to be draft to KC, I'm sure Sutton would figure out where he's most valuable.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Take up in the 2nd a bit to snag him even.

Yes, use a 3rd to move up.


It will be worth it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

You guys do know that Berry can, and has, and will play both FS and SS? It just depends on the situation of the game, and how Sutton wants to use the safeties. Nobody should be acting like Berry is a set in stone FS/SS when he does both all the time. It's an ignorant argument. And if Peppers WAS to be draft to KC, I'm sure Sutton would figure out where he's most valuable.

Yes, he can, that's not the question. The question is if you SHOULD.

If you're moving Eric Berry, it's to replace Ron Parker. No, those two people do not play the same style. Ron Parker is a rangier player than Berry - full stop. Now, that's not to say you can't upgrade on Parker but drafting Jabril Peppers is not how you do it.

You don't move a guy like Berry that is PERFECT in his present role to a role that he would be more poorly suited for and in the process use a high pick on a player in Peppers that will not be as good at Berry is at the job Berry was doing.

Why don't you just take Budda Baker? Who is a better version of Ron Parker. Or Marcus Williams? Who is essentially the exact same player but earlier in his career.

Why the hell would you move Berry so you can draft Berry light? Your coverage in the secondary would be worse at both positions and all in the name of, presumably, improving your run defense at an area where run defense is of secondary importance.

It's goddamn reeruned. Berry and Parker are perfectly complementary players. Peppers, OTOH, would be a similar but worse version of the guy we already have. Instead of having 2 guys that give you an A grade at two different rolls, you'll have 2 guys that would play similar rolls with similar strengths where one would simply give you a lesser version of the other.

Drafting Peppers makes little sense.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by kepp

So a "diluted sample" just means that his urine was wasn't completely normal in terms of hydration? And no drugs were necessarily found?

This thread title is misleading. Apparently he only tested positive for water.

[Bewbies]

It's amazing the amount of takes this site gets from folks who clearly don't watch the games.

[Rain Man]

I pretty much agree with DJLN on that post. Maybe Berry was still inexperienced at the time, but I still recall pass coverage lapses playing deep early in his career. Keep him where he's at, and keep Parker where he's at. If we're going to lose Parker at some point, draft a free safety who's good at playing the ball.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yes, he can, that's not the question. The question is if you SHOULD.

If you're moving Eric Berry, it's to replace Ron Parker. No, those two people do not play the same style. Ron Parker is a rangier player than Berry - full stop. Now, that's not to say you can't upgrade on Parker but drafting Jabril Peppers is not how you do it.

You don't move a guy like Berry that is PERFECT in his present role to a role that he would be more poorly suited for and in the process use a high pick on a player in Peppers that will not be as good at Berry is at the job Berry was doing.

Why don't you just take Budda Baker? Who is a better version of Ron Parker. Or Marcus Williams? Who is essentially the exact same player but earlier in his career.

Why the hell would you move Berry so you can draft Berry light? Your coverage in the secondary would be worse at both positions and all in the name of, presumably, improving your run defense at an area where run defense is of secondary importance.

It's goddamn reeruned. Berry and Parker are perfectly complementary players. Peppers, OTOH, would be a similar but worse version of the guy we already have. Instead of having 2 guys that give you an A grade at two different rolls, you'll have 2 guys that would play similar rolls with similar strengths where one would simply give you a lesser version of the other.

Drafting Peppers makes little sense.

I understand and agree with most of what you're saying here. I will say that if we didn't already have Sorensen locked up then Peppers would be a good fit for that role. I think I'd rather mess around with Raekwon McMillian in the 2nd than Peppers.

My point was just making sure everybody remembered that Berry can and will do both, and also, we don't know what Sutton may be thinking heading into 2017. Maybe he'll want more Berry at FS like what happened in 2015. I like him as he is right now personally.