Chiefs The case for Rex Ryan as new DC - Page 16

**BossChief** · 01-22-2019, 01:52 PM

Here’s why I’d be happy bringing in Rex Ryan to coach the defense...

1st is we wouldn’t need to overhaul the entire defense as the schemes are similar...but the philosophy is different.

Bob Sutton’s years as NYJs DC team rankings

First year
13th yards ...6th in points
2nd year
18th yards...19th points
3rd year
17th yards...18th points

Rex Ryan takes over HC the following year in09

1st year
1st in yards...1st in points

2nd year
3rd in yards....6th in points

Drastic and immediate improvement

More stats to come on why I think Rex would be a good hire...

BleedingRed · 01-23-2019, 08:54 AM

Hell Patriots have played the same defense for years! And they have way less talent now then they did early 2000s but somehow they always “take away what you do best” because they make ADJUSTMENTS

If that doesn’t explain how it’s not the scheme and it’s all coaching I don’t know what else will

Coogs · 01-23-2019, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

There are,

But the Scheme is not the problem, the adjustments were.

Rob Ryan was never good at making adjustments in game, he was just a rah rah guy.

Rex Ryan has proven to make many adjustments to game plans during and before. Not only that he does have ahead Coaching exp, so Andy can keep sitting on bench with Mahome and Rex can take over.

People claiming these schemes are old and don’t work don’t know football. Wade Phillips scheme hasn’t changed at all, but he can make adjustments.

Fair enough.

Chris Meck · 01-23-2019, 08:56 AM

We were 31st in defense with 3 #1 picks, 4 #2 picks, Houston and a bunch of #3 picks. That's bottom feeder results with pretty good talent level.

Coaching and scheme are really ****ing important.

BleedingRed · 01-23-2019, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We were 31st in defense with 3 #1 picks, 4 #2 picks, Houston and a bunch of #3 picks. That's bottom feeder results with pretty good talent level.

Coaching and scheme are really ****ing important.

Agreed,

But scheme doesn’t have anything to do with Bob playing cover 2 3 times in a row on 3rd and 10. That’s ****ing coaching.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-23-2019, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

There are,

But the Scheme is not the problem, the adjustments were.

Rob Ryan was never good at making adjustments in game, he was just a rah rah guy.

Rex Ryan has proven to make many adjustments to game plans during and before. Not only that he does have ahead Coaching exp, so Andy can keep sitting on bench with Mahome and Rex can take over.

People claiming these schemes are old and don’t work don’t know football. Wade Phillips scheme hasn’t changed at all, but he can make adjustments.

What is an adjustment you saw from Rex Ryan make that shows he's adapted his defense to the new NFL offense?

BleedingRed · 01-23-2019, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What is an adjustment you saw from Rex Ryan make that shows he's adapted his defense to the new NFL offense?

Do you think Tom Brady just recently started throwing short and fast?

Chris Meck · 01-23-2019, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Agreed,

But scheme doesn’t have anything to do with Bob playing cover 2 3 times in a row on 3rd and 10. That’s ****ing coaching.

um, no. That's literally the scheme. It's the coverage he called, which is...the scheme. The plan. Synonyms. Words that mean the same thing.

coaching deficiency is when guys don't know where to line up. Or when to release, or how to mirror, or what hole to fill. We have that problem too.

BleedingRed · 01-23-2019, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

um, no. That's literally the scheme. It's the coverage he called, which is...the scheme. The plan. Synonyms. Words that mean the same thing.

coaching deficiency is when guys don't know where to line up. Or when to release, or how to mirror, or what hole to fill. We have that problem too.

Coaching is knowing what play to call and when too, Yes the defense he played was PART OF THE SCHEME but it was the wrong part of the scheme to be using.

That falls on coaching, Coaches make the defensive calls. The fact we didn't play cover 0, or use double teams falls on coaching.

**chiefforlife** · 01-23-2019, 09:34 AM

I dont see us hiring a young up and comer DC for two reasons.

1) We dont have time to wait and see if he can do it, we are a win now team.

2) We dont have a defensive HC that he could lean on.

This will probably be someone like Rex who can completely take the defense over and improve it immediately. Our current D being a Rex scheme already, just makes even more sense for hiring Rex.

jettio · 01-23-2019, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Irrelevant as **** all for the sports world. Like him or hate him, he’s the president. Next issue; who’s a good defensive mind to bring in to KC? Could it be ryan? IDK, but if he’s not the right choice, who he voted for is the least of our concern.

it's not that Rex Ryan voted for Trump. It is that he had the bad judgment to suck Trump's dick in public.

Why would Andy Reid, Brett Veach and Clark Hunt want to hire an attention whore DC who thinks he could be a HC, and who decided to be political and support a blowhard incompetent?

And if Marcus Peters's demonstration during national anthem was any factor at all in his being traded, then you definitely do not bring in an asshole like Rex Ryan who supports a reerun white supremacist who shuts down the government for reasons nobody knows.

I hope the team that is stupid enough to court Rex Ryan as a possible hire gets the blowback deserved and then watch Rex Ryan totally disavow Trump in order to get a job. Say some shit like he did not know Trump was a racist.

BryanBusby · 01-23-2019, 04:46 PM

I know this won't be popular, but I don't think wethers scheme was nfl record breaking shit.

He just allowed all of his players to loaf and not really gave a shit and they fundamentally ****ed shit up all the time. I mean how many times were players put into position to make a play and they just aborted it?

Get me the guy that can get the players to not **** their assignment up the most. He was too lazy to adjust to anything, change anything up or teach his guys what to do and not do in those circumstances.

UChieffyBugger · 01-23-2019, 05:00 PM

I still think Rex is the man for the job. He knows the Afc very well and the scheme/players are already in place for him to come in and hit the road running. Spags system would bring along big changes that could be a disaster with the current personel we have tbh.

mcaj22 · 01-23-2019, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Do you think Tom Brady just recently started throwing short and fast?

Wait, are you saying the reason Tom Brady is throwing short and fast is because of Rex Ryan and not because of his knowledge/experience, age, declining arm strength and his awareness to change and adapt his game as he gets older? If so then LOL

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-23-2019, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

it's not that Rex Ryan voted for Trump. It is that he had the bad judgment to suck Trump's dick in public.

Why would Andy Reid, Brett Veach and Clark Hunt want to hire an attention whore DC who thinks he could be a HC, and who decided to be political and support a blowhard incompetent?

And if Marcus Peters's demonstration during national anthem was any factor at all in his being traded, then you definitely do not bring in an asshole like Rex Ryan who supports a reerun white supremacist who shuts down the government for reasons nobody knows.

I hope the team that is stupid enough to court Rex Ryan as a possible hire gets the blowback deserved and then watch Rex Ryan totally disavow Trump in order to get a job. Say some shit like he did not know Trump was a racist.

Keep this bullshit in DC where it belongs.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-23-2019, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Do you think Tom Brady just recently started throwing short and fast?

There once was a time when we frustrated the hell out of New England too. First, the spread has become extremely sophisticated thanks to Andy Reid. You remember 2 or 3 years ago when we were running a ton of Dime. A staple in the Rex Ryan defense. Press coverage was getting slaughtered by pick plays. But the biggest issue came 2 years ago when the league started ticky tacking defensive holding and DPI to try to get offense going again. Hard to press receivers. Hard to not commit DPI when your defense depends on staying in coverage for a while. Also doesn't help that we don't have a Darrel Revis who would literally take away an entire part of the field, which allowed Ryan to send tons of blitzers. Without Revis, his scheme looked a lot like Sutton's in Buffalo... passive on the blitz, relying on long coverage to frustrate a QB.

01-22-2019, 01:52 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1754088	The case for Rex Ryan as new DC Here’s why I’d be happy bringing in Rex Ryan to coach the defense... 1st is we wouldn’t need to overhaul the entire defense as the schemes are similar...but the philosophy is different. Bob Sutton’s years as NYJs DC team rankings First year 13th yards ...6th in points 2nd year 18th yards...19th points 3rd year 17th yards...18th points Rex Ryan takes over HC the following year in09 1st year 1st in yards...1st in points 2nd year 3rd in yards....6th in points Drastic and immediate improvement More stats to come on why I think Rex would be a good hire...
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01-23-2019, 08:56 AM	#228
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1814910	We were 31st in defense with 3 #1 picks, 4 #2 picks, Houston and a bunch of #3 picks. That's bottom feeder results with pretty good talent level. Coaching and scheme are really ****ing important.
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chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $6233147	I dont see us hiring a young up and comer DC for two reasons. 1) We dont have time to wait and see if he can do it, we are a win now team. 2) We dont have a defensive HC that he could lean on. This will probably be someone like Rex who can completely take the defense over and improve it immediately. Our current D being a Rex scheme already, just makes even more sense for hiring Rex.
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3759900 VARSITY	I know this won't be popular, but I don't think wethers scheme was nfl record breaking shit. He just allowed all of his players to loaf and not really gave a shit and they fundamentally **ed shit up all the time. I mean how many times were players put into position to make a play and they just aborted it? Get me the guy that can get the players to not ** their assignment up the most. He was too lazy to adjust to anything, change anything up or teach his guys what to do and not do in those circumstances.
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01-23-2019, 05:00 PM	#237
UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2500400	I still think Rex is the man for the job. He knows the Afc very well and the scheme/players are already in place for him to come in and hit the road running. Spags system would bring along big changes that could be a disaster with the current personel we have tbh.
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