Chiefs The way we win...and lose with Andy Reid.

**BossChief** · 10-06-2015, 07:17 PM

I've been disappointed with a lot of the playcalling since Reid took over and mostly for the same reasons most gave, he seemingly ignores the running game wayyy too much and gets locked into calling entirely too many passes at times. That puts a lot of pressure on a developing line as well as the rest of the offense when the team IMO hasn't been built that way.

My intention here is to show the run pass ratios for each game and to draw a correlation between wins and losses and the play calling.

So, here we go.

I'm gonna start with 2013

JX 27rush 34 pass W
Dal 25 rush 36 pass W
Phi 38rush 35 pass W
NYG 28 rush 41pass W
TEN 26 rush 39 pass W
OAK 27rush 31pass W
HOU 32rush 34pass W
CLE 15rush 36 pass W
Buf 23 rush 29 pass W
Den 25rudh 45 pass L
SD 18rush 38pass L
Den 25rush 42pass L
WAS 38rush 23pass W
OAk 24 rush 25pass W
IND 20rush 28pass L
SD 37rush 30pass W (I'm counting this as a win because the refs screwed us)

Average ratio for wins: 28:32
Average ratio for losses: 22:38

On to 2014...

TEN 38:33 L
Den 32:42 L
MIA 42:25 W
NE 38:26 W
SF 20:30 L
SD 39:28 W
sTL 33:29 W
NYJ 24:31 W
BUF 24:29 W
SEA 30:16 W
OAK 24:36 L
DEN 15:23 L
ARI 17:39 L
OAK 27:31 W
PIT 14:46 L
SD 25:34 W

Average ratio for wins: 31:28
Average ratio for losses: 18:36

I mean, I love Andy Reid and all, but when the guy goes pass crazy, we lose.

IMO this is as damning of evidence you can post to show how he needs to hand over play calling duties.

In closing, Jamaal needs more carries.

mr. tegu · 10-06-2015, 07:21 PM

Shocking but not surprising. You could see the same thing in the Reid zone thread. They only had 3 rushes on 18 plays once within the Cincinnati 30 yard line.

Discuss Thrower · 10-06-2015, 07:24 PM

Data is somewhat spurious because teams that are trailing in terms of score -especially as the time remaining diminishes- will pass more frequently than they will run the ball.

**HemiEd** · 10-06-2015, 07:38 PM

Reid just needs to move on from calling the plays and let the OC do that, simple.

He could then devote himself to being a good HC. His play calling and time management sickens me.

The Denver loss was clearly on him and he was out coached horribly. I am convinced that Kubiak told his defense to let the Chiefs score that go ahead TD as it was Denver's best chance and he was sharp enough to make that call.

**The Franchise** · 10-06-2015, 07:39 PM

Nick Athan said that Andy Reid needs to take play calling away from Doug Pederson.

**BossChief** · 10-06-2015, 07:43 PM

This needs to get some play...

This is basically the same thing the Cowboys had when they were losing because they passed too much and once they shifted to a balanced offense last year, they became contenders.

In the 21 wins, KC basically ran a 50:50 split of run to pass and in losses, it went to 1:2.

You can't hide from those numbers...run the ball if you want to win.

2 very important parts to this...

1) Andy needs to bring a lot more running to the offense. Sherman is one of our best players...use him. Charles is a possible hall of fame quality player...use him.

2) When Andy Reid puts the ball in Alex Smiths hands to win a game, Alex let's hiM down consistently.

**Easy 6** · 10-06-2015, 07:50 PM

Reid isn't changing, telling ya right now.

The frenzied nutjobs in philly couldn't do it, theres no reason to think KC can change him.

**Indian Chief** · 10-06-2015, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Data is somewhat spurious because teams that are trailing in terms of score -especially as the time remaining diminishes- will pass more frequently than they will run the ball.

And when a team is winning and wants to kill the clock they run consistently in garbage time.

That's not to say that the data isn't important (or that I disagree with the OP), but you need to limit the plays to those when the outcome is still being contested.

dj56dt58 · 10-06-2015, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Reid isn't changing, telling ya right now.

The frenzied nutjobs in philly couldn't do it, theres no reason to think KC can change him.

**** philly we got airplane banners

**Rausch** · 10-06-2015, 10:34 PM

Smith is the king of garbage time stats. His first 3 quarters suck.

And putting up garbage time numbers doesn't mean he's a good 4th quarter QB. His final drives with a chance to win - he's dog$3it...

jspchief · 10-06-2015, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

Smith is the king of garbage time stats. His first 3 quarters suck.

And putting up garbage time numbers doesn't mean he's a good 4th quarter QB. His final drives with a chance to win - he's dog$3it...

So true. He comes alive when the win is firmly out of reach.

jd1020 · 10-06-2015, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

Smith is the king of garbage time stats. His first 3 quarters suck.

And putting up garbage time numbers doesn't mean he's a good 4th quarter QB. His final drives with a chance to win - he's dog$3it...

I think the "King of Garbage Time Stats" belongs to Tim Tebow, he actually won when the teams went full blown reerun prevent D after 3 quarters. Alex is like Tebows servant that holds the spittoon.

**TimBone** · 10-06-2015, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Data is somewhat spurious because teams that are trailing in terms of score -especially as the time remaining diminishes- will pass more frequently than they will run the ball.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Chief

And when a team is winning and wants to kill the clock they run consistently in garbage time.

That's not to say that the data isn't important (or that I disagree with the OP), but you need to limit the plays to those when the outcome is still being contested.

Boom. Both of these. I hate when analysts look at teams and say, "This team wins when they run the ball. In everyone of their wins, they ran the ball more than they passed. And, not surprisingly, in games where they've thrown the ball a lot, they've lost."

Well, no shit, dumbass.

**Rausch** · 10-06-2015, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimBone

Boom. Both of these. I hate when analysts look at teams and say, "This team wins when they run the ball. In everyone of their wins, they ran the ball more than they passed. And, not surprisingly, in games where they've thrown the ball a lot, they've lost."

Well, no shit, dumbass.

Only throws if they're ahead or behind.

KC throws consistently in the red zone no matter the score. And we suck at it. How often do we start games with three straight passes and a punt?

If Reid was smart enough to run the ball and kill clock when we have a lead we would have beaten the Colts in the playoffs...

**TimBone** · 10-06-2015, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

Only throws if they're ahead or behind.

KC throws consistently in the red zone no matter the score. And we suck at it. How often do we start games with three straight passes and a punt?

If Reid was smart enough to run the ball and kill clock when we have a lead we would have beaten the Colts in the playoffs...

Yeah, I should have added that I wasn't taking away from BossChief's point. Reid is a pass happy ****.

10-06-2015, 07:17 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1854088	The way we win...and lose with Andy Reid. I've been disappointed with a lot of the playcalling since Reid took over and mostly for the same reasons most gave, he seemingly ignores the running game wayyy too much and gets locked into calling entirely too many passes at times. That puts a lot of pressure on a developing line as well as the rest of the offense when the team IMO hasn't been built that way. My intention here is to show the run pass ratios for each game and to draw a correlation between wins and losses and the play calling. So, here we go. I'm gonna start with 2013 JX 27rush 34 pass W Dal 25 rush 36 pass W Phi 38rush 35 pass W NYG 28 rush 41pass W TEN 26 rush 39 pass W OAK 27rush 31pass W HOU 32rush 34pass W CLE 15rush 36 pass W Buf 23 rush 29 pass W Den 25rudh 45 pass L SD 18rush 38pass L Den 25rush 42pass L WAS 38rush 23pass W OAk 24 rush 25pass W IND 20rush 28pass L SD 37rush 30pass W (I'm counting this as a win because the refs screwed us) Average ratio for wins: 28:32 Average ratio for losses: 22:38 On to 2014... TEN 38:33 L Den 32:42 L MIA 42:25 W NE 38:26 W SF 20:30 L SD 39:28 W sTL 33:29 W NYJ 24:31 W BUF 24:29 W SEA 30:16 W OAK 24:36 L DEN 15:23 L ARI 17:39 L OAK 27:31 W PIT 14:46 L SD 25:34 W Average ratio for wins: 31:28 Average ratio for losses: 18:36 I mean, I love Andy Reid and all, but when the guy goes pass crazy, we lose. IMO this is as damning of evidence you can post to show how he needs to hand over play calling duties. In closing, Jamaal needs more carries.
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10-06-2015, 07:21 PM	#2
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10-06-2015, 07:24 PM	#3
Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $3206869	Data is somewhat spurious because teams that are trailing in terms of score -especially as the time remaining diminishes- will pass more frequently than they will run the ball. __________________ Chiefs 2016 Opponents: Home: JAX, TEN, NO, TB, NYJ. Away: HOU, IND, ATL, CAR, PIT Chiefs 2017 Opponents: Home: BUF, MIA, PHI, WSH, AFC North. Away: NE, NYJ, NYG, DAL, AFC South
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10-06-2015, 07:38 PM	#4
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $3260564	Reid just needs to move on from calling the plays and let the OC do that, simple. He could then devote himself to being a good HC. His play calling and time management sickens me. The Denver loss was clearly on him and he was out coached horribly. I am convinced that Kubiak told his defense to let the Chiefs score that go ahead TD as it was Denver's best chance and he was sharp enough to make that call.
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10-06-2015, 07:39 PM	#5
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3085047	Nick Athan said that Andy Reid needs to take play calling away from Doug Pederson.
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10-06-2015, 07:43 PM	#6
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1854088	This needs to get some play... This is basically the same thing the Cowboys had when they were losing because they passed too much and once they shifted to a balanced offense last year, they became contenders. In the 21 wins, KC basically ran a 50:50 split of run to pass and in losses, it went to 1:2. You can't hide from those numbers...run the ball if you want to win. 2 very important parts to this... 1) Andy needs to bring a lot more running to the offense. Sherman is one of our best players...use him. Charles is a possible hall of fame quality player...use him. 2) When Andy Reid puts the ball in Alex Smiths hands to win a game, Alex let's hiM down consistently. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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10-06-2015, 07:50 PM	#7
Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3707775	Reid isn't changing, telling ya right now. The frenzied nutjobs in philly couldn't do it, theres no reason to think KC can change him.
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