Chiefs DE Allen Bailey Miami - Page 5

Hammock Parties · 04-29-2011, 07:49 PM

COUNTRY STRONG!

Height: 6-3
Weight: 285
Speed: 4.78
Arm: 34
Hand: 10 1/4
Wingspan: 82 1/4
Birthdate: 03/25/1989
Hometown: Sapelo, GA
Grade: 5.67

Notes: Also played basketball as a prep. Highly recruited linebacker-fullback who played just four games as a senior because of a stress fracture in his back. Grew up in the village of Hog Hammock on Sapelo Island, a tiny (approximately 100 residents), remote location 15 miles off the coast of Georgia. Bailey commuted 45 minutes — by ferry, then by bus — to attend school. Spent nights sleeping at a teammate’s house on the mainland during the season. Saw limited action, mostly on special teams, in all 12 games as a true freshman in 2007 and recorded four tackles without a tackle for loss or sack. Tore a pectoral muscle after ’08 spring practice and sat out the season opener against Charleston Southern but started 4-of-13 games at left end and notched 24-9-5. In ’09, started 8-of-13 games — five at left defensive tackle and three at right defensive end — and posted 34-11-7 with two batted passes and two forced fumbles. Started all 13 games at left defensive end in ’10, although he moved inside on some third-down plays, and recorded 45-11-7 with one pass batted down. Team captain.

Positives: Has raw, brute, country strength and is chiseled like a Greek god. Physical marvel. Very strong at the point of attack and can set the edge, push the pocket and anchor vs. the double-team. Almost never gets knocked off the ball and has exceptional two-gap strength. Outstanding energy and effort — runs to the ball. Has a 36-inch vertical jump and good lower-body explosion. Strong tackler. Outstanding character. Highly motivated, hardworking and driven to succeed.

Negatives: Average instincts and awareness. Does not have an arsenal of pass-rush moves and relies too much on the bull rush. Too robotic and mechanical in his movement. Has a tendency to play very upright and struggles to unlock his hips. Lacks an innate feel for the game and is late to react to what he sees. Cannot create one-on-one. Can be more disciplined with his eyes.

Summary: A big, tightly wound, country-strong bookend whose lackluster Senior Bowl performance clearly emphasized a lack of instincts that could drive down his value. Nonetheless, is a physical marvel with rare strength and could be programmed to serve as a fencepost in an odd front. Scheme-diverse and has eventual starter potential as a base end, kicking inside in passing situations, or as a five-technique in a 3-4 front.

NFL projection: Second- to third-round pick.

**cdcox** · 04-29-2011, 09:33 PM

He has a DE body, and that's where he'll play.

booger · 04-29-2011, 09:56 PM

like Gilberry, Bailey compares somewhat to Jarvis Green from the Pats days as an undersized end for a 34 but will have a role in the nickel. Both guys are athletic enough to play some special teams too which is rare for a DL.

Cam Sheffield had a good camp last year and if cleared from his neck inj they are wracking up some legit competition. Sheffield even played a bit inside, not a bunch but they did try him there. Same with Justin Cole except he started out inside and then shifted to outside. Studebaker is what he is but if he could help out and maybe start on the strong side as a 2 down LB until houston's pass drops become natural. I think Studebaker could compete some inside if need be too. Plus Cory Greenwood they like as a nickel backer. He and Verran Tucker were pretty damn good for rookie fa's.

It's not something that is probable but they have some versatility in the front 7 to play some hybrid sets and play Dorsey as a inside shade and do some 1 gap. Maybe even TJack. They just can't and IMO won't bulk up Dorsey for a full time NT role. He's adapted just fine and plays his role very well. He's worked too hard to lose the weight and can't carry it because of his stress fracture in his leg he has trouble with since LSU.

The new guys are green and will take some time but there some big fast tough dudes who's issues seem minor in Houston and Baldwins cases and all stuff that is coachable in all 4.

I've liked Gales as a big DE who can move but he's likely up for a battle along with OLB Pierre Walters. Gales has an outside shot at NT too, has had snaps there, but it's pretty tough for some 6-5 guys to anchor at the zero tech.

Frankie · 04-29-2011, 10:01 PM

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booger · 04-29-2011, 10:07 PM

somewhat like cam jordan the DE the saints took, they very well may try Bailey at OLB like others have said. With a good attitude and work ethic like he seems to have from those reports maybe they doubled up in the 3rd just because they didn't like other OLB prospects as much and figure they'll try with Houston and Bailey while having fallback plans for Bailey at DE. If they are just depth, pass rushers and special teamers they will still see plenty of snaps. Both seem to run better than Ayers.

Molitoth · 04-29-2011, 10:07 PM

Personally, I feel this was our weakest and least sensable pick.

Bump · 04-29-2011, 10:10 PM

I don't know anything about him, but sounds like a good talent. Love the country strength, hard-working type aspect. Romeo will coach him up!

booger · 04-29-2011, 10:11 PM

CBA, contracts and the future is considered here as well. They got 2 CB's yet to pay plus Tamba. Gilberry is restricted depending on the CBA and all that BS. But say he plays for next year then becomes a UFA and has another 6-7 or more sack season and some 43 team will want him bad and it will be hard to keep him.

**wazu** · 04-29-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Personally, I feel this was our weakest and least sensable pick.

Why? I can think of nothing we needed more than a 5th Defensive End. Now if we can just do something about that gaping hole at TE.

Chiefs Pantalones · 04-29-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Personally, I feel this was our weakest and least sensable pick.

A lot of people said that about Hali. I think Crennel is the right DC for this guy.

**wazu** · 04-29-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

CBA, contracts and the future is considered here as well. They got 2 CB's yet to pay plus Tamba. Gilberry is restricted depending on the CBA and all that BS. But say he plays for next year then becomes a UFA and has another 6-7 or more sack season and some 43 team will want him bad and it will be hard to keep him.

Yes, I love to hear that even though our team salary is among the lowest in the league, we need to begin drafting players now in anticipation of all the home-grown star players we drafted and developed, but don't intend to keep.

booger · 04-29-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

Yes, I love to hear that even though our team salary is among the lowest in the league, we need to begin drafting players now in anticipation of all the home-grown star players we drafted and developed, but don't intend to keep.

I would want to keep him too but on the open market Gilberry would cash in and make more as a starter than a backup here.

point is who knows what the future holds so not only depth wise but contracts as well it never hurts.

Frankie · 04-29-2011, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Personally, I feel this was our weakest and least sensable pick.

AND the least sensible too.

**wazu** · 04-29-2011, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger

I would want to keep him too but on the open market Gilberry would cash in and make more as a starter than a backup here.

point is who knows what the future holds so not only depth wise but contracts as well it never hurts.

Bottom line is I don't care how much. Draft a ****ING NOSE TACKLE. Pay Gilberry if you need to. Keep anybody who is good until money actually becomes an issue with some kind of new salary cap that is in place. Then, okay, I can return to the days of giving a damn about keeping payroll down.

**kysirsoze** · 04-29-2011, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

Bottom line is I don't care how much. Draft a ****ING NOSE TACKLE. Pay Gilberry if you need to. Keep anybody who is good until money actually becomes an issue with some kind of new salary cap that is in place. Then, okay, I can return to the days of giving a damn about keeping payroll down.

I think they'll be drafting a NT. Evrybody on here seems sold on Powe and he's projected by most to be there when we pick as late as the 5th. Draft's not over yet.

BryanBusby · 04-29-2011, 10:34 PM

Looking at the picks of Houston and Bailey, beyond the value, it looks like the Chiefs went after players that should be very productive in the nickel package on 3rd downs. After watching them struggle to stop Baltimore on 3rd down, this is a good idea.

04-29-2011, 07:49 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4480478	DE Allen Bailey Miami COUNTRY STRONG! Height: 6-3 Weight: 285 Speed: 4.78 Arm: 34 Hand: 10 1/4 Wingspan: 82 1/4 Birthdate: 03/25/1989 Hometown: Sapelo, GA Grade: 5.67 Notes: Also played basketball as a prep. Highly recruited linebacker-fullback who played just four games as a senior because of a stress fracture in his back. Grew up in the village of Hog Hammock on Sapelo Island, a tiny (approximately 100 residents), remote location 15 miles off the coast of Georgia. Bailey commuted 45 minutes — by ferry, then by bus — to attend school. Spent nights sleeping at a teammate’s house on the mainland during the season. Saw limited action, mostly on special teams, in all 12 games as a true freshman in 2007 and recorded four tackles without a tackle for loss or sack. Tore a pectoral muscle after ’08 spring practice and sat out the season opener against Charleston Southern but started 4-of-13 games at left end and notched 24-9-5. In ’09, started 8-of-13 games — five at left defensive tackle and three at right defensive end — and posted 34-11-7 with two batted passes and two forced fumbles. Started all 13 games at left defensive end in ’10, although he moved inside on some third-down plays, and recorded 45-11-7 with one pass batted down. Team captain. Positives: Has raw, brute, country strength and is chiseled like a Greek god. Physical marvel. Very strong at the point of attack and can set the edge, push the pocket and anchor vs. the double-team. Almost never gets knocked off the ball and has exceptional two-gap strength. Outstanding energy and effort — runs to the ball. Has a 36-inch vertical jump and good lower-body explosion. Strong tackler. Outstanding character. Highly motivated, hardworking and driven to succeed. Negatives: Average instincts and awareness. Does not have an arsenal of pass-rush moves and relies too much on the bull rush. Too robotic and mechanical in his movement. Has a tendency to play very upright and struggles to unlock his hips. Lacks an innate feel for the game and is late to react to what he sees. Cannot create one-on-one. Can be more disciplined with his eyes. Summary: A big, tightly wound, country-strong bookend whose lackluster Senior Bowl performance clearly emphasized a lack of instincts that could drive down his value. Nonetheless, is a physical marvel with rare strength and could be programmed to serve as a fencepost in an odd front. Scheme-diverse and has eventual starter potential as a base end, kicking inside in passing situations, or as a five-technique in a 3-4 front. NFL projection: Second- to third-round pick.
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04-29-2011, 09:56 PM	#62
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $1278550	like Gilberry, Bailey compares somewhat to Jarvis Green from the Pats days as an undersized end for a 34 but will have a role in the nickel. Both guys are athletic enough to play some special teams too which is rare for a DL. Cam Sheffield had a good camp last year and if cleared from his neck inj they are wracking up some legit competition. Sheffield even played a bit inside, not a bunch but they did try him there. Same with Justin Cole except he started out inside and then shifted to outside. Studebaker is what he is but if he could help out and maybe start on the strong side as a 2 down LB until houston's pass drops become natural. I think Studebaker could compete some inside if need be too. Plus Cory Greenwood they like as a nickel backer. He and Verran Tucker were pretty damn good for rookie fa's. It's not something that is probable but they have some versatility in the front 7 to play some hybrid sets and play Dorsey as a inside shade and do some 1 gap. Maybe even TJack. They just can't and IMO won't bulk up Dorsey for a full time NT role. He's adapted just fine and plays his role very well. He's worked too hard to lose the weight and can't carry it because of his stress fracture in his leg he has trouble with since LSU. The new guys are green and will take some time but there some big fast tough dudes who's issues seem minor in Houston and Baldwins cases and all stuff that is coachable in all 4. I've liked Gales as a big DE who can move but he's likely up for a battle along with OLB Pierre Walters. Gales has an outside shot at NT too, has had snaps there, but it's pretty tough for some 6-5 guys to anchor at the zero tech. __________________ 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $1278550	somewhat like cam jordan the DE the saints took, they very well may try Bailey at OLB like others have said. With a good attitude and work ethic like he seems to have from those reports maybe they doubled up in the 3rd just because they didn't like other OLB prospects as much and figure they'll try with Houston and Bailey while having fallback plans for Bailey at DE. If they are just depth, pass rushers and special teamers they will still see plenty of snaps. Both seem to run better than Ayers. __________________ 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $2005105	I don't know anything about him, but sounds like a good talent. Love the country strength, hard-working type aspect. Romeo will coach him up! __________________
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04-29-2011, 10:11 PM	#67
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $1278550	CBA, contracts and the future is considered here as well. They got 2 CB's yet to pay plus Tamba. Gilberry is restricted depending on the CBA and all that BS. But say he plays for next year then becomes a UFA and has another 6-7 or more sack season and some 43 team will want him bad and it will be hard to keep him. __________________ 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3749900 VARSITY	Looking at the picks of Houston and Bailey, beyond the value, it looks like the Chiefs went after players that should be very productive in the nickel package on 3rd downs. After watching them struggle to stop Baltimore on 3rd down, this is a good idea.
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