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Old 10-17-2017, 08:54 PM  
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NFL endorses criminal-justice reform bill in the midst of anthem debate
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NFL endorses criminal-justice reform bill in the midst of anthem debate

By Karoun Demirjian and Beth Reinhard
The Washington Post
October 16



The National Football League, still in political crosshairs over whether players should take a knee during the national anthem, is throwing its weight behind another cause in Washington’s debate over racial inequality: criminal justice reform.

The NFL’s spokesman said on Monday that the league has decided to endorse a bipartisan bill to reduce mandatory minimum sentences for low-level drug offenders, eliminate “three-strike” provisions that require life sentences and give judges more latitude to reduce sentences for certain low-level crimes.

“We felt that this was an issue over the last months, as we have continued to work with our players on issues of equality and on issues of criminal justice reform, that was surfaced for us, and we thought it was appropriate to lend our support to it,” NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart said Monday during a conference call with reporters.

The owners appear to be seeking middle ground between football players and their critics during a heated national debate over the growing phenomenon of players kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality and racial inequality. It is not clear what effect the NFL’s effort will have on that debate — or on President Trump, who has fueled much of the vitriol against kneeling players through his personal and official Twitter accounts.

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So, hoping to curry favor with the players who are kneeling, the NFL is endorsing a piece of soft-on-crime legislation. The optics of that are amusing.

Goodell's winking and nodding at the kneeling players will probably just encourage them to take it further, not make them respect the country again. The NFL will not be better off for bowing to them. Look at Mizzou.

The NFL doesn't seem to understand what's happening here at all. Fans do not want the NFL to be political. Fans are not going to be amused by Roger Goodell wading into politics. ESPN has already made this mistake by becoming another politicized media outlet... it's fascinating that Goodell thinks the way to resolve the fan ire over this conflict is to make the NFL more political.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:10 PM   #16
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Nobody's butthurt over the bill itself. It's just illustrative of the fact that the NFL doesn't even understand why people are upset. They don't want the NFL to be political.
I imagine the NFL is doing it as part of an agreement to get the NFL players to stand during the anthem. The NFL agrees to throw it's weight behind issues of equality and the players agree to stand during the singing of the national anthem.

It's not that the league doesn't understand why people are angry, it's that the league is in an untenable situation. They have huge Africa American employee pool and they have a huge number of fans that are angry about the protest. No win situation, so they are trying to negotiate a compromise.

A certain portion of the fans will still be mad because they want the players to be brought to heel on the situation and any compromise won't be good enough.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:13 PM   #17
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Wade into "social justice" and see what happens, Rog
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Or try reading what was said on the house floor by victims of drug crime.

When these laws were passed.

I'm sure you can google that as well...
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Or try reading what was said on the house floor by victims of drug crime.

When these laws were passed.

I'm sure you can google that as well...
You do realize that victims of drug crime are not synonymous with those caught possessing drugs, correct?
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Or try reading what was said on the house floor by victims of drug crime.

When these laws were passed.

I'm sure you can google that as well...
I would rather not listen to people who learned absolutely nothing from the complete failure of alcohol prohibition.
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Well, one thing is absolutely certain - the NFL had BETTER get this thing under control. Viewership was down nearly 8% this weekend.

People are pissed about this nonsense and they are leaving the NFL. The ONE thing that the front office WILL understand is fans walking away.
Far be it for me to defend Goodell, but the NFL is in a completely impossible position here. I said that from the beginning. There is no way to win here. This country is just way too divided and everyone gets offended over every little thing the other side does.

The NFL has such a wide-ranging audience there's just no way to make everyone happy and avoid taking hits on this. This is more on our division as a country than anything the NFL has done.
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Or try reading what was said on the house floor by victims of drug crime.

When these laws were passed.

I'm sure you can google that as well...

First of all, it's a seminal work on the incarceration epidemic by an important writer... I thought you might...I dunno... maybe? Want to read it so you don't sound like a complete moron at all times. But alas... finish your Ripple and turn up Tucker Carlson you ****ing dimwit.
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Posturing for the labor agreement or not, it's beyond foolish. Encouraging the players who are kneeling will only cause more disrespect, and the league itself becoming a political body will turn even more people off.

Wade into "social justice" and see what happens, Rog
In other words, you will not be satisfied until the players just shut up and go back to picking cotton playing football? Companies all over the country get involved with politics. Do you evaluate all their positions before patronizing them?
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In other words, you will not be satisfied until the players just shut up and go back to picking cotton playing football? Companies all over the country get involved with politics. Do you evaluate all their positions before patronizing them?
No, I don't care if they kneel. It doesn't affect my fan engagement at all. If they want to kneel, let them.

The NFL doesn't understand the situation. They think people are angry about players kneeling, but people are actually angry about what was once a safe refuge from politics becoming engulfed by it.

People want the NFL to be something enjoyable, not something else that people are using to pit everyone in the country against each other.
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First of all, it's a seminal work on the incarceration epidemic by an important writer... I thought you might...I dunno... maybe? Want to read it so you don't sound like a complete moron at all times. But alas... finish your Ripple and turn up Tucker Carlson you ****ing dimwit.
In DC I was blasted for claiming incarceration was an epidemic and that there is so much corruption in the criminal justice system. Still get continuously blasted for it. I love the few hours when threads like this go out of DC and I realize there are actually sane people on cp.
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In DC I was blasted for claiming incarceration was an epidemic and that there is so much corruption in the criminal justice system. Still get continuously blasted for it. I love the few hours when threads like this go out of DC and I realize there are actually sane people on cp.
So ****ing true. The criminal justice system in this country is...well, criminal. This country needs a lot of things changed/fixed and the criminal justice system should be at the top of the list. If the average person knew what it was it was really like they would be outraged.

It's become a cash cow and the people cashing in will fight this bill to the end.
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Far be it for me to defend Goodell, but the NFL is in a completely impossible position here. I said that from the beginning. There is no way to win here. This country is just way too divided and everyone gets offended over every little thing the other side does.

The NFL has such a wide-ranging audience there's just no way to make everyone happy and avoid taking hits on this. This is more on our division as a country than anything the NFL has done.
Oh, you'll get no argument from me here. I agree completely. Unfortunately, it seems as though the NFL (for years) has tried to please everyone every time (which is impossible).

They support the military - which I'm sure pisses some off. They attempt to support the players that choose to sit or kneel - which I'm sure pisses some off.

Now, however, they are losing viewers. This, I'm certain, gets the attention of the NFL "executives". The one thing these guys understand is MONEY. Viewership goes down - commercial revenue begins to fade. Big no-no in the NFL.

Hell, there is no way to please everyone. Can't be done. But one thing is for certain - the NFL NEEDS to pander to those folks who have been loyal fans for the last 50 or so years...Helluva tight rope to be walking.
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