Football Did Football Kill Junior? - Page 5

**petegz28** · 08:56 PM

S I am listening to 610 on the way home and Nick Wright is talking all this shit about how playing football professionally kills the players.

Yes, we know the physical pounding takes some years off a player's life. But he was talking about the depression and such that players may experience after they retire and what not.

I have to call total BS on this.

Edit: I am not saying football didn't cause the depression. I am saying the way Nick Wright was trying to downplay other causes of depression vs. playing in the NFL was bunk.

listopencil · 05-02-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

I'm sure the complexity is within a troubled soul that put a bullet in his heart. All the incredible work he did on and off the field doesn't add up to this ending. It was a facade of a completely self-centered Junior and it no longer worked. Bullet.

Maybe. We won't know because he's not around to tell anyone what he was going through. And that's a shame too.

**BigRedChief** · 05-02-2012, 07:56 PM

Concussions can cause Lou Gehrig's disease. A very high % of football players have Lou Gehrig's disease. We have found out that concussions release a protein into the spinal fluid that causes Lou Gehrigs disease.

They think that is how Lou Gehrig got the disease. He suffered two major concussions in the space of two days and a third in a week. He kept playing.

Reerun_KC · 05-02-2012, 07:57 PM

NFL like most normal people see players as expendable resources. They are paid nicely for their ability to play a game at that level. Once the player is done, HE should have enough money to take care of himself and medical bills for the rest of his life.

Honestly I dont feel sorry for JR or any other NFL millionare that has the ability to make that kind of money and not plan for the future.

Why should the NFL and teams pay these guys millions then babysit their stupidity and failure of financial planning when their days are over?

Marcellus · 05-02-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Do you think there is ever a sane and reasonable thought process that would indicate to someone that suicide is an appropriate solution?

That is always my response to the idiots that talk about how "selfish" the act is.

It's not a sane person making a selfish decision, its a person who doesn't even understand what they are actually doing, anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumbass.

**gblowfish** · 05-02-2012, 08:00 PM

I know some of you mentioned Jim Tyrer, a guy in the Chiefs Hall of Fame. He was the consummate tackle, protected Lenny's blind side for most of the AFL years. He played up till 1974 when he was cut by the Washington Redskins. He raised his kids in KC. In September of 1980 he came home, shot his wife dead, then killed himself, with the kids in the house. It was shocking, and for sure it kept Tyrer out of the Pro Football HOF. He was despondent over his businesses failing and was in money trouble. He was very good friends with Dawson, Ed Budde, Arbanas EJ Holub, Dave Hill, and a bunch of defensive guys like Lynch and Lanier. It was extremely shocking back then, and it wasn't talked about much because it was such a tragic thing.

Tyrer was only 41. You can read the newspaper story from when the murder/suicide went down here:
http://tinyurl.com/6obkfh9

**BigRedChief** · 05-02-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

NFL like most normal people see players as expendable resources. They are paid nicely for their ability to play a game at that level. Once the player is done, HE should have enough money to take care of himself and medical bills for the rest of his life.

Honestly I dont feel sorry for JR or any other NFL millionare that has the ability to make that kind of money and not plan for the future.

Why should the NFL and teams pay these guys millions then babysit their stupidity and failure of financial planning when their days are over?

They are adults and made their choices. I don't have a moral objection to watching others take chances with their lives and bodies that I wouldn't take myself.

But, their is a line that society doesn't cross. Even if everyone involved is a adult volunteer. The gladiator refrence has been brought up a lot today. There would be a huge line of people wanting to be Gladiators if we allowed that type of sport to exist.

I saw Jim Mcmahon from the Bears on tv recently. He can't reemember how to get home from the grocery store. We don;t need to see that happen to all of our former players.

**petegz28** · 05-02-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Do you think there is ever a sane and reasonable thought process that would indicate to someone that suicide is an appropriate solution?

Yes, I do. When one gives their life to save another. That may not fit the typical definition of suicide but that's what it is. And when I mean to save another I mean someone taking a bullet for someone else, someone falling on a hand grenade to save others, etc. I don't mean like "I'm a dick husband and my wife would be better off without me so I'm going to off myself".

listopencil · 05-02-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

That is always my response to the idiots that talk about how "selfish" the act is.

It's not a sane person making a selfish decision, its a person who doesn't even understand what they are actually doing, anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumbass.

Yeah, pretty much. I would say that there very few exceptions. My father passed away in 2000 of Cancer. Some time before he passed away he asked something of my brother and I. He asked that if, near the end, he was obviously declining into a slow death, that we take him up into the Rockies and help him make a camp. He wanted us to leave him with minimal supplies, including one of his pistols so he could end his own life. I told him that I would do that for him. He ended up dying rather suddenly due to a complication after a surgery instead. He did get what he wanted. He remained lucid until death. I suppose you could consider that selfish if you choose to. I think asking him to continue living into the final stages of that disease would have been selfish on my part.

listopencil · 05-02-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes, I do. When one gives their life to save another. That may not fit the typical definition of suicide but that's what it is. And when I mean to save another I mean someone taking a bullet for someone else, someone falling on a hand grenade to save others, etc. I don't mean like "I'm a dick husband and my wife would be better off without me so I'm going to off myself".

Yeah. I do understand that. When you join the military you are volunteering your life if necessary. We all know (or should know) about the first responders at 9/11. Same thing, except I survived my volunteerism.

**notorious** · 05-02-2012, 08:12 PM

It's just a matter of time before someone dies on the field.

Reerun_KC · 05-02-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

It's just a matter of time before someone dies on the field.

And? Remove the body, insert next player and move on.

**petegz28** · 05-02-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

It's just a matter of time before someone dies on the field.

True but when you think about it, if you were going to die doing something would you not want it to be doing something you love?

I mean we all want to die old and gray with our family around us. But if I were a pro-player I would much rather die on the field doing what I loved to do than say getting killed by a drunk driver. I chose to be on that field knowing the risks but it's what I love to do.

Racecar drivers have died during races yet the tracks are still open and the cars going faster than ever.

KCUnited · 05-02-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

It's just a matter of time before someone dies on the field.

It's already happened, just not in a live NFL game.

**petegz28** · 05-02-2012, 08:20 PM

For all the talk about how rough football is I still don't think it's as rough as hockey.

listopencil · 05-02-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

True but when you think about it, if you were going to die doing something would you not want it to be doing something you love?

I mean we all want to die old and gray with our family around us. But if I were a pro-player I would much rather die on the field doing what I loved to do than say getting killed by a drunk driver. I chose to be on that field knowing the risks but it's what I love to do.

Racecar drivers have died during races yet the tracks are still open and the cars going faster than ever.

No. I strongly desire to die in my sleep.

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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17606178 VARSITY	I know some of you mentioned Jim Tyrer, a guy in the Chiefs Hall of Fame. He was the consummate tackle, protected Lenny's blind side for most of the AFL years. He played up till 1974 when he was cut by the Washington Redskins. He raised his kids in KC. In September of 1980 he came home, shot his wife dead, then killed himself, with the kids in the house. It was shocking, and for sure it kept Tyrer out of the Pro Football HOF. He was despondent over his businesses failing and was in money trouble. He was very good friends with Dawson, Ed Budde, Arbanas EJ Holub, Dave Hill, and a bunch of defensive guys like Lynch and Lanier. It was extremely shocking back then, and it wasn't talked about much because it was such a tragic thing. Tyrer was only 41. You can read the newspaper story from when the murder/suicide went down here: http://tinyurl.com/6obkfh9 Last edited by gblowfish; 05-02-2012 at 08:06 PM..
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