Victory for Jamie Oliver in the U.S. as McDonald’s is forced to stop using pink slime

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Omaha

This.

Seriously. Fish just won Chiefs Planet.

People don't give a single **** about what they're eating. I have no idea why, but people seem to think it's totally fine to balloon up like a whale and suck at life. It seems that people don't care about themselves at all anymore. Nobody is waiting in line for fast food thinking it's even moderately healthy yet they continue to eat it day after day.

We have spent how many pages in this thread talking about ammonia hydroxide. I've had 20 different opinions on both sides. After this many pages, there STILL doesn't seem to be anything close to a right or wrong answer. And we're talking about people who are doing the right thing, and at least doing some research to find an answer.

That tells you how unnecessarily hard it is to get the facts straight about what you eat. I completely disagree with you. I believe there are lots of people who are motivated to lose weight, but lose themselves in a massive sea of misinformation. They eat Panera and think they're eating healthy. They buy turkey substitute products that aren't breast meat. They drink gallons of orange juice instead of soda. And then, when they workout like crazy, try to eat sensibly and still don't lose weight, they become depressed and give up.

Again, people are entitled to eat how and what they want. I'm not judging them. But they need to know what they're putting in their bodies, and that goes way beyond education. It means that people have to have a better understanding of what goes into their bodies, and a healthy debate on ammonia hydroxide is a great example of that. Whether you agree with using it or not, there's one thing that's clear. It's an additive ingredient that is put into our food that most knew nothing about until someone like Jamie Oliver brought it to light.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We have spent how many pages in this thread talking about ammonia hydroxide. I've had 20 different opinions on both sides. After this many pages, there STILL doesn't seem to be anything close to a right or wrong answer. And we're talking about people who are doing the right thing, and at least doing some research to find an answer.

That tells you how unnecessarily hard it is to get the facts straight about what you eat. I completely disagree with you. I believe there are lots of people who are motivated to lose weight, but lose themselves in a massive sea of misinformation. They eat Panera and think they're eating healthy. They buy turkey substitute products that aren't breast meat. They drink gallons of orange juice instead of soda. And then, when they workout like crazy, try to eat sensibly and still don't lose weight, they become depressed and give up.

Again, people are entitled to eat how and what they want. I'm not judging them. But they need to know what they're putting in their bodies, and that goes way beyond education. It means that people have to have a better understanding of what goes into their bodies, and a healthy debate on ammonia hydroxide is a great example of that. Whether you agree with using it or not, there's one thing that's clear. It's an additive ingredient that is put into our food that most knew nothing about until someone like Jamie Oliver brought it to light.

How about YOU only eat at places that tell you exactly what is in the food and let others eat wherever the **** they want?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

How about YOU only eat at places that tell you exactly what is in the food and let others eat wherever the **** they want?

/thread


... and pass your post on to Oliver.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

/thread


... and pass your post on to Oliver.

Yeah, end thread. It was a great point by Saul Good that apparently the best solution is for restaurants to tell only me what's in my food, while others cluelessly eat mystery food. That makes a lot of sense.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

How about YOU only eat at places that tell you exactly what is in the food and let others eat wherever the **** they want?

Oh good, now this ridiculous BS.

I am not telling people where to eat. Or what to eat. I am saying that every person has a right to know what they are eating. If they still want to eat food despite knowing it's terrible, that's their choice.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Oh good, now this ridiculous BS.

I am not telling people where to eat. Or what to eat. I am saying that every person has a right to know what they are eating. If they still want to eat food despite knowing it's terrible, that's their choice.

What sort of moron doesn't know fast food is bad?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Brock

What sort of moron doesn't know fast food is bad?

The world is full of morons who don't know what is best for themselves. That is why we need people like chiefzilla...to protect us from ourselves.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Oh good, now this ridiculous BS.

I am not telling people where to eat. Or what to eat. I am saying that every person has a right to know what they are eating. If they still want to eat food despite knowing it's terrible, that's their choice.

They currently have that right, and they have for quite some time. They can even take entire responsibility and raise/grow their own food so they know exactly what they're consuming.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fish

They currently have that right, and they have for quite some time. They can even take entire responsibility and raise/grow their own food so they know exactly what they're consuming.

Or maybe we should actually have standards so that when people buy stuff... I don't know... it's clear to the consumer what they're buying?

Whether you agree with the way this ammonia hydroxide thing was presented, it's something that is added to your food unnaturally and sold to the consumer. And consumers have no idea this is happening. Even if consumers don't care that it's happening or educate themselves to believe it's unharmful, why shouldn't the consumer at least know it's happening to the products they buy? Why are we treating it like it's such a bad thing?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We have spent how many pages in this thread talking about ammonia hydroxide. I've had 20 different opinions on both sides. After this many pages, there STILL doesn't seem to be anything close to a right or wrong answer. And we're talking about people who are doing the right thing, and at least doing some research to find an answer.

That tells you how unnecessarily hard it is to get the facts straight about what you eat. I completely disagree with you. I believe there are lots of people who are motivated to lose weight, but lose themselves in a massive sea of misinformation. They eat Panera and think they're eating healthy. They buy turkey substitute products that aren't breast meat. They drink gallons of orange juice instead of soda. And then, when they workout like crazy, try to eat sensibly and still don't lose weight, they become depressed and give up.

Again, people are entitled to eat how and what they want. I'm not judging them. But they need to know what they're putting in their bodies, and that goes way beyond education. It means that people have to have a better understanding of what goes into their bodies, and a healthy debate on ammonia hydroxide is a great example of that. Whether you agree with using it or not, there's one thing that's clear. It's an additive ingredient that is put into our food that most knew nothing about until someone like Jamie Oliver brought it to light.

The problem remains, that you're putting the entire responsibility on the restaurant business and none on the individual. It's really not the restaurant's responsibility to ensure that the consumer eat's healthy. The lengths you're going to make it all the restaurant's responsibility are illogical and unreasonable.

How about we find a way to properly educate consumers, instead of allowing bullshit misinformation like the OP, or wasting money going crazy with nutritional info that isn't effective?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Fish

The problem remains, that you're putting the entire responsibility on the restaurant business and none on the individual. It's really not the restaurant's responsibility to ensure that the consumer eat's healthy. The lengths you're going to make it all the restaurant's responsibility are illogical and unreasonable.

How about we find a way to properly educate consumers, instead of allowing bullshit misinformation like the OP, or wasting money going crazy with nutritional info that isn't effective?

As a general rule, when someone starts down the road of requiring things that are neither necessary nor in particular demand, they're usually assholes with personal issues.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

As a general rule, when someone starts down the road of requiring things that are neither necessary nor in particular demand, they're usually assholes with personal issues.

Being honest about processes and ingredients?
And you don't think there aren't a lot of people who want to know what's in their food, or consumers out there who want to know that when they're eating a "healthy" option it's actually healthy?

So kindly, **** off with your comments saying I have "personal" issues, you ****ing prick. We're having a conversation here.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Being honest about processes and ingredients?
And you don't think there aren't a lot of people who want to know what's in their food, or consumers out there who want to know that when they're eating a "healthy" option it's actually healthy?

So kindly, **** off with your comments saying I have "personal" issues, you ****ing prick. We're having a conversation here.

If there are so many people like this, then restaurants should be doing it voluntarily in order to cater to that huge demographic. In reality, it's just a few people who think they know what is best for everyone who like to piss and moan.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

If there are so many people like this, then restaurants should be doing it voluntarily in order to cater to that huge demographic. In reality, it's just a few people who think they know what is best for everyone who like to piss and moan.

There is NO CONSUMER who will get upset because a food manufacturer was upfront and honest about their processes and ingredients.

And nobody is saying we have some food nazi standing in a restaurant yelling at people to stop eating something. Nobody is saying "get rid of bad menu options." I am saying, the more consumers know about their food, the better. They are free to eat whatever they want, as long as they know exactly what they're eating.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fish

The problem remains, that you're putting the entire responsibility on the restaurant business and none on the individual. It's really not the restaurant's responsibility to ensure that the consumer eat's healthy. The lengths you're going to make it all the restaurant's responsibility are illogical and unreasonable.

How about we find a way to properly educate consumers, instead of allowing bullshit misinformation like the OP, or wasting money going crazy with nutritional info that isn't effective?

Who said I'm not blaming the individual? I am talking about the many consumers who are trying to educate themselves and STILL are massively misinformed. When a consumer tries really hard and can't, that's a huge problem, and it goes beyond education and posting calorie counts. It's that when you get into mass production of food, food producers and restaurants will begin doing very unnatural things to cut costs or preserve their food. And when you get into marketing food, they will go to great lengths to BS what's in the food. And so you have misinformed consumers eating diet or low fat products that are terrible for you. You have food manufacturers abusing the term "organic" or "low fat", or selling fatty turkey meat passed off as a healthier substitute. Big Food has made a mockery of health standards and knowing what's healthy has become a complicated mess, even for people who know what they're talking about.

When food stops becoming food, then yes, what is wrong with a restaurant or food manufacturer disclosing that? I'm not talking about a small restaurant in your town that serves a dish heavy with butter. I'm talking about understanding all the disgusting things that go into making a McNugget.