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View Poll Results: What is your stance on aliens?
They come here and the government has some understanding and talks with them, has ships and bodies, and knows something about what they are. 25 16.23%
They come here, and the government investigates sightings and keeps secrets and has evidence but they don't know much. 31 20.13%
They exist and they come here but no one (including government) has any solid physical evidence or shocking secrets. 11 7.14%
They exist and are intelligent and could come here but they don't. 18 11.69%
Intelligent life exists in some form but can't come here because of distance/technology challenges. 54 35.06%
Something exists out there somewhere but it isn't intelligent. 8 5.19%
There are no life forms anywhere else. 7 4.55%
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:27 PM   #1
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I saw a UFO. Looking out the back, reversed seats, of my parent Torino station wagon. Going down N. Oak Trafficway.

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If you have identified the craft then it's not a UFO. Just saying...

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Old 05-31-2015, 06:30 PM   #2
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:53 PM   #3
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I saw a UFO. Looking out the back, reversed seats, of my parent Torino station wagon. Going down N. Oak Trafficway.

No one will ever convince me differently.

Was it you or the UFO going down N. Oak Trafficway? We might be able to identify its destination.
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:57 PM   #4
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Was it you or the UFO going down N. Oak Trafficway? We might be able to identify its destination.
I was going N. on N. Oak. UFO was tracking east to west. Long craft that looked like a contrail, though it was moving the other way. I clearly saw the beginning of it and it was clearly one object moving between clouds.

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Old 05-31-2015, 07:08 PM   #5
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I was going N. on N. Oak. UFO was tracking east to west. Long craft that looked like a contrail, though it was moving the other way. I clearly saw the beginning of it and it was clearly one object moving between clouds.

Changed my life.
Sounds like the Goodyear blimp. Dude you were messed up. Torino Station wagon huh. We had that gold Torino sedan.
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Old 05-31-2015, 07:10 PM   #6
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Sounds like the Goodyear blimp. Dude you were messed up. Torino Station wagon huh. We had that gold Torino sedan.
It was miles long and I was like 8. No one will convince me otherwise.

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Old 05-31-2015, 07:47 PM   #7
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I saw a UFO. Looking out the back, reversed seats, of my parent Torino station wagon. Going down N. Oak Trafficway.

No one will ever convince me differently.
“There’s a fascinating frailty of the human mind that psychologists know all about, called “argument from ignorance.” This is how it goes. Remember what the “U” stands for in “UFO”? You see lights flashing in the sky. You’ve never seen anything like this before and don’t understand what it is. You say, “It’s a UFO!”

The “U” stands for “unidentified.”

But then you say, “I don’t know what it is; it must be aliens from outer space, visiting from another planet.” The issue here is that if you don’t know what something is, your interpretation of it should stop immediately. You don’t then say it must be X or Y or Z. That’s argument from ignorance. It’s common. I’m not blaming anybody; it may relate to our burning need to manufacture answers because we feel uncomfortable about being steeped in ignorance.”


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Old 05-31-2015, 07:52 PM   #8
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“There’s a fascinating frailty of the human mind that psychologists know all about, called “argument from ignorance.” This is how it goes. Remember what the “U” stands for in “UFO”? You see lights flashing in the sky. You’ve never seen anything like this before and don’t understand what it is. You say, “It’s a UFO!”

The “U” stands for “unidentified.”

But then you say, “I don’t know what it is; it must be aliens from outer space, visiting from another planet.” The issue here is that if you don’t know what something is, your interpretation of it should stop immediately. You don’t then say it must be X or Y or Z. That’s argument from ignorance. It’s common. I’m not blaming anybody; it may relate to our burning need to manufacture answers because we feel uncomfortable about being steeped in ignorance.”


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40 years and nothing has convinced me otherwise. And I am well aware of the psychology you are referencing and it does not apply here.

Also, I'm a sane individual. I think.
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Old 05-31-2015, 08:06 PM   #9
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40 years and nothing has convinced me otherwise. And I am well aware of the psychology you are referencing and it does not apply here.

Also, I'm a sane individual. I think.
So what exactly was it that you saw that convinced you that it was a spacecraft from an alien planet? How do you differentiate terrestrial technology that you don't understand from extra-terrestrial technology?



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Old 05-31-2015, 08:20 PM   #10
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So what exactly was it that you saw that convinced you that it was a spacecraft from an alien planet? How do you differentiate terrestrial technology that you don't understand from extra-terrestrial technology?



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Understand that I come from an aviation family.

It looked like an airliner contrail, which was my first thought. But it was going the other way and disappearing into the other cloud bank. Then it was gone.

Aliens? Dunno. But I've seen nothing since.
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40 years and nothing has convinced me otherwise. And I am well aware of the psychology you are referencing and it does not apply here.

Also, I'm a sane individual. I think.

Let's do a quick test. Do you think the Chiefs will win a Super Bowl in your lifetime? If yes, will it involve the use of alien technology or not?
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“There’s a fascinating frailty of the human mind that psychologists know all about, called “argument from ignorance.” This is how it goes. Remember what the “U” stands for in “UFO”? You see lights flashing in the sky. You’ve never seen anything like this before and don’t understand what it is. You say, “It’s a UFO!”

The “U” stands for “unidentified.”

But then you say, “I don’t know what it is; it must be aliens from outer space, visiting from another planet.” The issue here is that if you don’t know what something is, your interpretation of it should stop immediately. You don’t then say it must be X or Y or Z. That’s argument from ignorance. It’s common. I’m not blaming anybody; it may relate to our burning need to manufacture answers because we feel uncomfortable about being steeped in ignorance.”


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Too bad the tv scientists word doesnt trump the director of the CIA, or Chairman of the JCOS.

Because they certainly didnt have any scientists informing their opinions...
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Too bad the tv scientists word doesnt trump the director of the CIA, or Chairman of the JCOS.

Because they certainly didnt have any scientists informing their opinions...
I don't rely on an argument from authority. Apparently you do.

I quoted Neil DeGrasse Tyson because his explanation makes perfect sense. What specific things did the director of the CIA or the Chairman of the JCOS say that you find to be compelling? Or are you just taking their word for it? For that matter, what exactly DID they say? You got a link?
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Old 05-31-2015, 08:16 PM   #14
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Too bad the tv scientists word doesnt trump the director of the CIA, or Chairman of the JCOS.

Because they certainly didnt have any scientists informing their opinions...
No individual's word trumps anyone else's. That's the entire point to the Argument from Authority fallacy.
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