Phillip Gaines

[Chiefshrink]

I haven't had a chance to thoroughly watch the first 3 pre-season games but did watch all of the GB game. Gaines played horrible against 2nd and 3rd string offenses of GB. Has he played this bad all pre-season ? What is your take on the kid so far ?

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Made a big play today and we'll overall against a very good passing team. CP once again shows how horrible we are at evaluating young talent.

I and Direckshun were onto him during the draft period. I thought that he would be a 4th-5th rounder though because he was still raw and coming from a weak conference. Dorsey took him in the 3rd.

It was his play during the pre-season that made me think that he wasn't ready for the NFL and needed a ton of more work. He was getting abused by scrubs out there. Still believed that he had the physical talent to be great, just wondered how long and if he would ever get there after how poorly he played in the final pre-season games.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Maybe, but there was some dude in the draft forum that said he would be the best CB in the class before we drafted him. I'm too lazy to go see who.

Ok. I didn't want OldDumbShit taking any credit so I looked it up. He could be dead wrong still, but PlanetDoc was all over the kid.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...01&postcount=2

[OldSchool]

Here is what I thought of him before the draft.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

CB

Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice, Senior

Measurables: 6' .3", 193 lbs, 31 7/8" arms, 9 5/8" hands.

Bench Reps: 11

40 time: 4.35 unofficial, 4.38 official

3-cone: 6.62

Short Shuttle: 4.04

Background: Played CB at Rice. He was a dominant CB in his senior year. He was targeted 40 times in 2013 and allowed 13 receptions while making 4 INTs with 9 PBUs, 32.5% success rate. He has 38 PBUs in his career at Rice which is their career record. Gaines had legal troubles in 2011 when he was arrested for possession of 2 ounces or less of weed.

Positives: Aggressive defender in coverage, he plays fearlessly and isn't afraid to challenge receivers at the line. He's experienced as a press-corner and looks comfortable in the zone as well. He has great ball skills and broke up a ton of passes when playing at Rice. He has tremendous speed and quickness to mirror even the fastest WRs to go along with his good length, great closing speed. He was left on an island for most of his career and performed at a high level in that role; shows good awareness in coverage to fall off his man and make a play on the ball when it is thrown elsewhere. Very fluid athlete who is a willing tackler.

Negatives: Needs to improve his technique to in order to be more effective as a press corner (though he is fine in his trail technique). Struggles to get off of blocks in the run game; needs to add more strength to deal with WRs blocking him or improve his physicality at the point of attack. Needs to do a better job of catching the ball when he gets an opportunity.

Overview: Gaines is a confident, aggressive, and physical corner who has the potential to become a top cover corner in the NFL in either zone or press-man schemes. He has all of the tools to succeed but could stand to improve his strength, teams also have to check out his character. I would take him as soon as the 4th round in this draft in order to improve our pass coverage.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Looking at draft sites, they all say 7th round. His play is way above that of a 7th rounder, I would rate him as high as the 2nd for just his physical abilities alone; you're talking about a good sized corner at 6'1" and almost 200 pounds who has the movement skills of a 5'9" and under guy. The only reasons that I could think of why he would be rated so low are off the field issues and the fact that he didn't play against NFL level talent all of the time. However, his skill set translates very well to the NFL and he would immediately become a solid contributor for us.

His big problems: suspended for the Texas A&M game due to team rules violation; and arrested in 2011 for posession of 2 ounces or less of weed.

Again, it was his pre-season games that had me thinking that he was going to need a lot more work that I initially thought. Scrub WRs were running circles around him.

Today was very promising, he showed a bit of what he could potentially become. Stuck pretty close in coverage to a very fast and quick receiver in Eddie Royal. That was the CB that I thought we would be getting.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

I and Direckshun were onto him during the draft period. I thought that he would be a 4th-5th rounder though because he was still raw and coming from a weak conference. Dorsey took him in the 3rd.

It was his play during the pre-season that made me think that he wasn't ready for the NFL and needed a ton of more work. He was getting abused by scrubs out there. Still believed that he had the physical talent to be great, just wondered how long and if he would ever get there after how poorly he played in the final pre-season games.

But look at where that gets us...
It led us to give up on Eric Fisher, who's actually playing pretty well right now
It led us to trash Knile Davis and Travis Kelce last year
It led us to demand Santos get cut ASAP even though he's hit his last 6 (including a big one today)
It led to people asking if Gaines should be on the roster if not for his draft pick

In exchange, people were livid that Malcolm Bronson wasn't getting a shot.

Like I said before, the preseason is a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE place to evaluate rookie talent these days. It's a reality we have to deal with until the players negotiate a new CBA.

[ThaVirus]

I liked Malcolm Bronson. Much better than Dan Sorenson at least..

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But look at where that gets us...
It led us to give up on Eric Fisher, who's actually playing pretty well right now
It led us to trash Knile Davis and Travis Kelce last year
It led us to demand Santos get cut ASAP even though he's hit his last 6 (including a big one today)
It led to people asking if Gaines should be on the roster if not for his draft pick

In exchange, people were livid that Malcolm Bronson wasn't getting a shot.

Like I said before, the preseason is a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE place to evaluate rookie talent these days. It's a reality we have to deal with until the players negotiate a new CBA.

Fisher whiffed a lot today. Very bad. Only games he played well in, he had lots of help.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I liked Malcolm Bronson. Much better than Dan Sorenson at least..

I was never high on Sorenson but I defended him anyway. And this is exactly the reason why.

Bronson was in year 2. Sorenson was a rookie during a shortened training camp. We just don't know what he would have done. Considering how terrible Eric Fisher and Gaines were in the preseason, who's to say he wouldn't have improved with coaching. It's not as much about Sorenson as much as it is the new CP mentality to give up on any rookie who doesn't flash in his first preseason action.

[Direckshun]

I'll say this: I am shocked that the Chiefs have turned shitstain preseason performances like Eric Fisher, Demetrius Harris, and Phillip Gaines and magically made them turn the corner once the season began.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I was never high on Sorenson but I defended him anyway. And this is exactly the reason why.

Bronson was in year 2. Sorenson was a rookie during a shortened training camp. We just don't know what he would have done. Considering how terrible Eric Fisher and Gaines were in the preseason, who's to say he wouldn't have improved with coaching. It's not as much about Sorenson as much as it is the new CP mentality to give up on any rookie who doesn't flash in his first preseason action.

New era of instant gratification.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'll say this: I am shocked that the Chiefs have turned shitstain preseason performances like Eric Fisher, Demetrius Harris, and Phillip Gaines and magically made them turn the corner once the season began.

5 less OTAs and restrictions on 2 a days
Coaches unable to even talk to players until months later than usual
No contact drills until months into the offseason

Rookies got a really shitty deal in the new CBA. Rookies are going to struggle a lot more until these ridiculous CBA rules get lifted.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

I was wondering why the diss on this guy early on. He was a big reason why we won today.

because he wasnt all pro corner coming out of the 3rd round

[Mother****erJones]

He did a really good job. It's nice to see a corner of ours looking for the ball and getting his head around. I'm happy for him. Hope he turns into a stud.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Fisher whiffed a lot today. Very bad. Only games he played well in, he had lots of help.

Eric Fisher is still a steaming dog dune.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'll say this: I am shocked that the Chiefs have turned shitstain preseason performances like Eric Fisher, Demetrius Harris, and Phillip Gaines and magically made them turn the corner once the season began.

What game are you guys watching where Demetrius Harris has done ANYTHING?

That guy in the pre-season and the regular season has been dog shit.

In fact, It was like game 3 or game 4 of the pre-season that we targeted this guy like 95 times and he ended up with like 2 catches and 46 drops, and 13 out of position "get the **** on that side of the line"'s.

You want to give Fisher credit? Sure. You want to give Gaines credit? **** yeah, he's on fire for the few snaps he's seen, but Demetrius Harris?

CMON MAN

[jonzie04]

Gaines pff grade is solid. 0 allowed completions on 5 targets is very impressive.

"Phillip Gaines, CB: +2.7

Breakdown: After seeing just three snaps prior to this week, the rookie from Rice got his first start and produced a game to be proud of. Targeted five times, none of the balls his way were completed and he got his hands in to knock one away.

Signature Stat: Gaines was the only corner this week to give up no catches when targeted more than once."


Also if anyone cares Hudson and Sherman made there all star team of the week by turning in the highest grades at their respective positions.