The NFL doesn't think Mahomes is a first rounder.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by kccrow

What footwork does he need work on? The only footwork he needs work on is in dropping back from under center. His weight transfer in his throwing motion is more than fine. Kid needs no work there. Don't know what the **** everyone is carrying on about. Kid throws darts anywhere you want em thrown.

You want to know why people think he has "footwork" issues? Because they see him scramble and throw on the run and attribute it to "bad footwork." No, no that's not ****ing bad footwork. If they were talking about making bad decisions trying to throw from awkward angles on the move, then sure, he does it too much. That doesn't mean his footwork is bad. If you told me Mahomes makes bad decisions forcing the ball into tight coverage, I'd say he does it too much. That doesn't make his footwork bad.

It's the goddamn dumb**** Zeirlein that doesn't know a lick of shit about football saying he has bad footwork and people reading it like its the ****ing gospel because they are too lazy to watch it themselves or can't decipher what they are watching anyhow.

This kid needs ZERO "extra" work on his foot plant/weight transfer and follow through in his throwing motion. None. His footwork in his throwing motion is identical to Aaron Rodgers'. I've provided the videos before. He sets quickly and transfers weight from back leg to front.

Footwork. Don't give me this bullshit about footwork, because I know exactly what "footwork" people are talking about and they are dead ****ing wrong. Footwork coming out from under center and through a 3, 5, and 7-step drop? Yes, absolutely he needs work on that (and so does every single ****ing QB coming out of college now). But that isn't what idiots are talking about. They think he throws off his back foot and lofts the ball up there all the time. Completely wrong. He transfers that weight almost every single time.

And to be honest, I don't give a shit if the guy stands on his head and throws a pass so long as it's money. Mahomes is money. Of course, you could continue to cheer for that shitbag Alex Smith, he's a real fine specimen.

Don't get condescending and pissy. Nobody is pimping Smith in here so that is irrelevant.

I like Mahomes and think he can be a worthwhile prospect to develop as a qbotf. The key word being "develop" however. He has physical talents that allow him to get away with poor habits. His current comfort level in 3, 5, and 7 step drops from under center is inadequate for the next level - he has admitted as much. Mayock called it out out, Gruden pointed it out, and the only thing that will fix it is a lot of practice and time to groom it. Mahomes admitted he has never played under center EVER. What a dis-service high school and college coaching is doing to qb prospects nowadays.

You are separating a lot of the component mechanics in your analysis of him, which I think is accurate, but a lot of it goes back to footwork (weight transfer, torque, narrow/wide base, etc.)

The way I see Mahomes?
+ High ceiling with rare, elite arm talent and positive intangibles. Guts. Athletic enough to extend plays. Can make every throw.
- Bails the pocket and detects pressure that is not there. Will need time to acclimate to a pro-style scheme with regards to under-center play and verbiage. Makes high-risk decisions at times looking for the big play when game situations dictate otherwise. Ball security can be cleaned up.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Don't get condescending and pissy. Nobody is pimping Smith in here so that is irrelevant.

I like Mahomes and think he can be a worthwhile prospect to develop as a qbotf. The key word being "develop" however. He has physical talents that allow him to get away with poor habits. His current comfort level in 3, 5, and 7 step drops from under center is inadequate for the next level - he has admitted as much. Mayock called it out out, Gruden pointed it out, and the only thing that will fix it is a lot of practice and time to groom it. Mahomes admitted he has never played under center EVER. What a dis-service high school and college coaching is doing to qb prospects nowadays.

You are separating a lot of the component mechanics in your analysis of him, which I think is accurate, but a lot of it goes back to footwork (weight transfer, torque, narrow/wide base, etc.)

The way I see Mahomes?
+ High ceiling with rare, elite arm talent and positive intangibles. Guts. Athletic enough to extend plays. Can make every throw.
- Bails the pocket and detects pressure that is not there. Will need time to acclimate to a pro-style scheme with regards to under-center play and verbiage. Makes high-risk decisions at times looking for the big play when game situations dictate otherwise. Ball security can be cleaned up.

LOL. You haven't begun to see condescending from me, but I can be if you'd like.

I do agree with your analysis though.

I do hate when people think the pundits are the bible. I challenge King to watch every snap Mahomes takes and chart how many throws he deems improper. I'll then watch them and we can see if we agree.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by kccrow

LOL. You haven't begun to see condescending from me, but I can be if you'd like.

I do agree with your analysis though.

I do hate when people think the pundits are the bible. I challenge King to watch every snap Mahomes takes and chart how many throws he deems improper. I'll then watch them and we can see if we agree.

Post one of his game videos. Any game.
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[kccrow]

Originally Posted by -King-

Post one of his game videos. Any game.
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I did, right along with a video of Aaron Rodgers. You can feel free to go watch it.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I did, right along with a video of Aaron Rodgers. You can feel free to go watch it.

No you didn't. When you read his scouting reports, don't you think it's odd you're the only one who thinks he doesn't have mechanical issues? You don't think it's odd that he's compared to Jay Cutler more than anybody else?

You think this is all bullshit? http://presnapreads.com/2017/04/02/p...ure-of-upside/

[Coogs]

After the first 8 games last season:

508 total plays.

344 out of shotgun for 68%
164 under center for 32%

Of those 164:

114 were rushes for 70%
50 were passes for 30%

Overall 50 pass plays from under center out of 508 total plays for just under 10%.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Coogs

After the first 8 games last season:

508 total plays.

344 out of shotgun for 68%
164 under center for 32%

Of those 164:

114 were rushes for 70%
50 were passes for 30%

Overall 50 pass plays from under center out of 508 total plays for just under 10%.

just flat-out, good info. Thanks for doing that.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by -King-

No you didn't. When you read his scouting reports, don't you think it's odd you're the only one who thinks he doesn't have mechanical issues? You don't think it's odd that he's compared to Jay Cutler more than anybody else?

You think this is all bullshit? http://presnapreads.com/2017/04/02/p...ure-of-upside/

Could have sworn I posted a comparison but here's my original post of the Rodgers vid in response to Mahomes:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...4&postcount=41


But, here's two vids you can watch side-by-side:






And yes, I have a problem with the article because they take a "sometimes he does this wrong" and turn it into "his footwork needs to be completely revamped." The point I'm trying to pound on the table right now is that this entire thought process is 100% wrong. MOST of the time, and that I'm saying is likely around 80-85%, the kid throws the ball from set feet and with fine mechanics. But it is that other 15-20% of the time where he's throwing these balls on awkward angles, off a hop, on the move without setting, etc, that these people are using to say there is some enormous problem. Simple fact is you can't just make gross overstatements. Now, you look at that 15-20% of "problematic" throws and you determine what of those were actually bad passes? 5%? 10%? What is it? Can you live with that? I sure as **** can. For a guy that trusts his nutsack and is willing to put the ball into tight windows and make plays, you bet your ass I'll take the occasional shit throw. You know his position coaches in the NFL are going to absolutely hammer shit into this kid's head to keep him from making some of these errors. He picked up a good amount just working with Gruden for an hour, and you notice him changing the way he holds the ball throughout the video. I think Mahomes gets it and he knows he has to do some work in the NFL. He has to listen, or he won't make it. If this kid doesn't remind of you of Aaron Rodgers, then I'm not entirely sure I'll ever convince you and I sure know I'm done trying. What's that annoying saying down South? "You gotta risk it to get the biscuit?"

[Chiefshrink]

Let's not forget this very article could be a poker play pushed by some team that wants him to drop as well which IMHO is what this article is about.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Don't get condescending and pissy. Nobody is pimping Smith in here so that is irrelevant.

I like Mahomes and think he can be a worthwhile prospect to develop as a qbotf. The key word being "develop" however. He has physical talents that allow him to get away with poor habits. His current comfort level in 3, 5, and 7 step drops from under center is inadequate for the next level - he has admitted as much. Mayock called it out out, Gruden pointed it out, and the only thing that will fix it is a lot of practice and time to groom it. Mahomes admitted he has never played under center EVER. What a dis-service high school and college coaching is doing to qb prospects nowadays.

You are separating a lot of the component mechanics in your analysis of him, which I think is accurate, but a lot of it goes back to footwork (weight transfer, torque, narrow/wide base, etc.)

The way I see Mahomes?
+ High ceiling with rare, elite arm talent and positive intangibles. Guts. Athletic enough to extend plays. Can make every throw.
- Bails the pocket and detects pressure that is not there. Will need time to acclimate to a pro-style scheme with regards to under-center play and verbiage. Makes high-risk decisions at times looking for the big play when game situations dictate otherwise. Ball security can be cleaned up.

I have been curious about this, and I have a little time tonight , so I am going to go through all of our snaps from this past season just to see how many were from under center.