Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 15

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 12:43 AM

Haha @ Mecca being ok with KC moving Hali.

Mecca has always been his biggest fan, afterall.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Direckshun believes that Alex Smith and Geno Smith equals the Joe Montana acquisition.

So yes, people are saying a LOT of stupid shit.

My argument is that it would be the biggest coup in Chiefs history since Montana.

Which is different than saying it's on par with Montana

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He did have lowered production last year.

Because he was in pass coverage 60% of the time.

Bob Sutton will have Tamba back to his normal form which is rushing the passer.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Haha @ Mecca being ok with KC moving Hali.

Mecca has always been his biggest fan, afterall.

Haha, well I expect a bit more from what he's being paid now he needs to throw up 14+ every year.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

Because he was in pass coverage 60% of the time.

Bob Sutton will have Tamba back to his normal form which is rushing the passer.

Does this mean they'll have the joy of dropping Justin Houston when he really shouldn't be either.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Haha, well I expect a bit more from what he's being paid now he needs to throw up 14+ every year.

He was in pass coverage 60% of the time.

He is a pass rusher.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Does this mean they'll have the joy of dropping Justin Houston when he really shouldn't be either.

He is a whole lot better in pass coverage than Tamba. Houston has the ability to play the pass and get to the qb.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

He is a whole lot better in pass coverage than Tamba. Houston has the ability to play the pass and get to the qb.

Are you implying the 500k man is more talented than the 60 million dollar man?

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:48 AM

I just realized if Millner is drafted by us we will have 3 DBS from the university of Alabama.

Javier Arenas, Dequan Menzie, and Dee Millner.

**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 12:48 AM

He missed a game and had 9. It's not all about the sacks...pressures and hits are just as important.

36 sacks in the last 3 seasons is pretty good.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 12:49 AM

Any QBs in this draft that you like, Mecca?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

My argument is that it would be the biggest coup in Chiefs history since Montana.

Which is different than saying it's on par with Montana

Dude, it's not a coup.

First off, the Chiefs have the first pick in the draft, so right there, coup can't apply.

Secondly, giving up a minimum of two picks for two questionable guys could never be considered a "coup".

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Are you implying the 500k man is more talented than the 60 million dollar man?

Yes I am. Houston is a better overall player.

However Tamba is the better pass rusher.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

He missed a game and had 9. It's not all about the sacks...pressures and hits are just as important.

36 sacks in the last 3 seasons is pretty good.

Yea if you average 12 sacks a season there shouldnt even be talks about getting rid of Tamba or trading him.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, it's not a coup.

First off, the Chiefs have the first pick in the draft, so right there, coup can't apply.

Secondly, giving up a minimum of two picks for two questionable guys could never be considered a "coup".

I think it would be the most important shifting of priorities this team has experienced since, at the very least, the turn of the century.

Herm turned us from aging vets to youth and the draft.

Reid is turning us, potentially, from castoffs to home-grown, drafted QBs.

A coup can simply be a clever act, by the way.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4313447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1804088	He missed a game and had 9. It's not all about the sacks...pressures and hits are just as important. 36 sacks in the last 3 seasons is pretty good. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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